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Originally Posted by jpv
Well popups are not shady but they are something that people have openly talked about hating and now most use software to block them. If they don't want them then I will not use them to upset my visitors. I think you are wrong about making more money with a popup rather than using a clean site to get return vistors. If you were right every tgp would use one popup. Tgps have learned how to get return visitors and years ago they learned they better not have a popup if they want any hope of getting that visitor to come back. Paysites are the same! Karups, atk, twistys, and for sure my site get people visiting often to see the tour to see what is new at the site. I know this because many visitors to my paysite email me about this. I will not use ANYTHING that a visitor might not like and popups have already proved to be one of the most hated thing on the internet. .
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There are FAR worst things on the internet then 1 pop up off of a site, to name a few email spam, viruses, spyware, flashover ads, tool bars and other shit that gets installed when you downloading a program or signing up to something, etc...
you are talking about two totally differen things. You can't compare a TGP to a membership site. A TGP will get repeat vistors every day and bookmarks, a membership site will be lucky to get a small amount of people to come back again whether you have popups or not. Just to make it clear i am talking about popups in the free area of the site not the members area. Lets just say that your membership site gets 10% return traffic (example). Let's say 1/2 of them are uptight and wont come back because there was a pop up when they exited your site. (i doubt the number would be that high but for the sake of arguing...) So you are sacraficing 95% of your exit traffic to try to make 5% of them happy, in the hopes that some of those 5% might actually sign up when then come back the second time. You losing money big time. At least from my results, and it seems logical enough. I am not some noob either, been doing this for 7 years and generated well over 5 million in sales. So my "results" should have a little credibility as well.
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Originally Posted by jpv
I don't doubt you make some money with them because that is all your business is... at least from what I have seen. You try to get people to promote click cash through you and you pay the affiliates a little more so you can add your popups... right? If adding popups to one of the most promoted sites such a great advantage for affiliates since it increases their payouts... then why isn't everyone promoting click cash through you? You convinced a couple hundred (I don't know the active affiliates you have) to use you out of how many? Around hundred thousand? You are over rating popups. They are hated by everyone. You have been able to make a living off of it because you have convinced webmasters who have sites to use more popups to make more money. They are suffering because of upset surfers while you are making more money since you don't have a "web site" .
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who in the fuck are you? One thing i can't stand more then anything is people who think they know what i do and they can't be more wrong! If you want to know what i do, ask me. If you are not sure do a little research or ask me, don't go on and on telling me.... For someone who claims he spends no time on the boards how do you even know that I have anything to do with ClickCash???? hasn't been in my sig for months. INTERESTING....
" I don't doubt you make some money with them (popups) because that is all your business is... " BULLSHIT. My "business" is not popups. People do not advertise clickcash through me. I HELP people make more money with clickcash, they refer me when they make their OWN account. I am like a resource site for Clickcash affiliates. I make promos, provide content, etc. Actually I have never even helped any of them setup a pop up or even made a popup ad for them. You are totally off base. When i was making reference to popups i was talking about MY traffic.
First of all, i enjoyed your article and agreed with most of what you said, even though you guys are a tad bit over doing it with the ' don't want to hurt no sufers feelings" stuff. When you made the comment that " popups" are "shady" i disagreed with you and thought we could debate it, not be told by someone how i opperate my business and bash on me for something i don't even do. Sorry to piss on your thread and be the first to disagree with you on something you said, I thought you were looking for discussions/debating, obviously not.
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Originally Posted by jpv
It is unfortunate that many people can't read and miss when they are told 3 or 4 times they are purchasing a rebilling membership. I make it very clear and so does the billing companies in MANY places.
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BULLSHIT. If you really cared about your sufers you would give them two options to signup, Option 1: for your convenience your membership will rebill each month. Option 2: good for 30 days and then you will have to signup again.
PEOPLE hate rebilling memberships A LOT more then 1 freaking popup. popup, hit "x" its over with. forget to cancell or didn't even notice it rebills, hours of wasted time trying to cancel and money out of their pockets. I can't believe you honestly think 1 pop up is hated more then rebilling memberships...
And i find it funny how you bash on popups and want to do everything for the surfer but then say in regards to rebilling " it is unfortunite that people can't read"... well why don't you make it easier for them and give them too options to sign up? rebill and non rebilling ??? too fucking funny.