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Originally Posted by L-Pink
Hustler, Playboy and Penthouse have paved the way for a general acceptance of porn/sex in America. So has the advertising industry. You could purchase porn at the same convenience store where your wife bought milk and your kids bought a slurpee. Gambling (cash only lotto) and cigarets are also available in the same store. NOTE: this store is also very safe.
First amendment rights were fought for, won, and accepted. (thanks Mr. Flynt)
Now the internet is here and the "fringe" elements start to appear.
*Now when you go to purchase your Playboy you must pass a Japanese girl eating shit and receiving a sperm bath.
*Your wife has to push her way thru rape, facial abuse, and cock-gagging displays before reaching the milk section.
*Your kids are shown photos of double ass fucking and horse cocksucking photos while waiting for their slurpees.
*Anyone in the family can use the charge cards to run-up gambling debt, not losses, debt ... big difference.
*Stalkers, con artists, thieves hassle you as you exit the store.
*Welcome to the net.
Now honestly, defend this. Expect older members of government to defend this, yea right. Too many of us have lost touch with the outside world. We are insiders feeling picked on, singled out.
We are our own worst enemies. Look how GFY members react to tub-girl, goatsee, animals and getting ripped off on small traffic, design deals, or shaving. Now imagine regular families.
When you look at the content of Hustler/Playboy and how the new 2257 regulations read we are loosing ground. The sad fact is this content isn't really even about sex. It's about pushing limits, being different, getting a quick buck.
Imagine Hefner showing extreme movies at one of his parties. You can't.
The owners of these sites don't have the resources to defend their own product either. As we are prosecuted for technical violations of already legal content, we will be financing and fighting for their right to continually push limits long past most of my own.
Just my rambling thoughts ... I don't see a clean end to this ..... Lee
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The first part of your post describes much the same as what happened in the EU (tho some countries were more liberal on their attitudes to porn - tho it was never thrust in your face).
There is something to be said for sticking your head above the trenches and being an "poineer", tho - only my
, suspect that day is over where you can justifiably do that. Those where the absurd days when pubic hair was "illegal"
We have come a long way since then.
Another bit on that topic - it's not a wonderful idea to push to boat out for money or getting an edge on competitors. If the intention is a considered one and where it can be justified to be for the overall good - ya want a strategy to go thru prob a few court cases and stay with your decisions till a law changes - not a smooth ride.
Agree - depending on the actual wording of laws, it prob would be hard for a defense advocate to explain to a jury how a "Japanese girl eating shit and receiving a sperm bath" was violating freedom of expression or the content had artist values or whatever defenses were allowed under the respective law. It's personal opinions, but find it hard to even see that are being erotic. (With a case like that - hell - I'd plea bargain ASAP
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You are 100% correct in that we are our own worst enemies. Often a minority within the adult biz either have a desire to become more competitive in content display, or simply have no clue of acceptable guidelines. (It is easy as hell to become complacent when you see porn day in, day out - and "judgement" sometimes can be easier to fail.) The folks who do step out of line can be the most damaging to this industry.
On the flip side - we prob need to be "aware" of cases as they arise. Prosecutors, especially elected ones, could have a ambition tendencies towards fame and a tally sheet of convictions whether these are justified or not. Several countries layout the basis on which they may persue legal action - that's at least a good guideline to follow (Tho much of that is often not what we would consider to be in the adult biz as we know it.)
Only me, but I never saw much wrong with the original 2257 - it was "supposed" to ensure only adults played in the biz. It's a pity that law was rarely (never?) enforced - so much for child protection. Dunno what to say about the 2257 revamp - it's all been said already, - but it's clear that this is little more than enforced record-keeping with little focus on CP or protection.
Bottom line.. and OK, in some instances there are no published clear guidelines, in which case it has to be a personal opinion and possibly based on a legal opinion - but every webmaster or publisher of "adult content" needs to be fully aware of what he's publishing and what the overall effect this will have on the "average member of the public" - a possible jury.
I know and I'm sure you are well aware - some content, even from main sponsors, would stand no chance in hell of passing favorably with a jury in an obscenity trial. It's easy to slap up a few web pages - what you put on them can land ya in a jail cell unless there is *some* responsibility.
Having done that load of rambling - there's plenty to do in "adult" that does not go near that borderline area
