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CoolE · 11-21-2002, 05:39 PM

Hmmm. Passionate debate. Who is the greater defender of freedom in America, Democrats or Republicans? Neither? Or the reverse question, who tends to trample on individual rights more?

I think it is helpful to distinguish between "freedom" and "sexual freedom" here. There are some libertarian Republicans who can be described as defenders of freedom, but they fall down when it comes to sexual freedom.

America is the only country in the world that has obsenity laws like it does. In practice they have become circular definitions; "it's obscene if a jury finds it obscene". Other countries have embraced the principle that "the state has no business in the bedrooms of it's citizens" unless someone is being hurt or exploited - America has no such principle, in writing, in practice, or in theory. This is because when it comes to sexuality America "goes funny". The most ardent American freedom-lover is often a closetted censor.

This guy is a Republican:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/taylor.html

And he would throw every single one of us in jail for 50+ years if he could. And there are a 500 prosecutors just like him in local and federal jurisdictions all across America - probably 80% of the most zealous 100 are Republicans.

These guys don't just want to prosecute for the most extreme stuff; these guys want to prosecute everything! Vaginal penetrations, erections, pussy shots, masturbation, ejaculation, 18 to 22 - everything!!

So clearly, IMHO, when it comes to the defense of freedom in the bedroom or home office, the Republicans are the far worse of two great evils. Republicans are extremely weak on sexual freedom - I would say "Talibanish".

If you need to keep awake tonight just read that interview, it will send shivers down your spine. 2003 will be the start of the porn wars, and like abortion I think ultimately the Supreme Court will have to decide - and I have no faith in them on issues of sexuality. They don't know what obscenity is, they just know it when they see it.

11-21-2002, 05:39 PM
CoolE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 451	Hmmm. Passionate debate. Who is the greater defender of freedom in America, Democrats or Republicans? Neither? Or the reverse question, who tends to trample on individual rights more? I think it is helpful to distinguish between "freedom" and "sexual freedom" here. There are some libertarian Republicans who can be described as defenders of freedom, but they fall down when it comes to sexual freedom. America is the only country in the world that has obsenity laws like it does. In practice they have become circular definitions; "it's obscene if a jury finds it obscene". Other countries have embraced the principle that "the state has no business in the bedrooms of it's citizens" unless someone is being hurt or exploited - America has no such principle, in writing, in practice, or in theory. This is because when it comes to sexuality America "goes funny". The most ardent American freedom-lover is often a closetted censor. This guy is a Republican: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/taylor.html And he would throw every single one of us in jail for 50+ years if he could. And there are a 500 prosecutors just like him in local and federal jurisdictions all across America - probably 80% of the most zealous 100 are Republicans. These guys don't just want to prosecute for the most extreme stuff; these guys want to prosecute everything! Vaginal penetrations, erections, pussy shots, masturbation, ejaculation, 18 to 22 - everything!! So clearly, IMHO, when it comes to the defense of freedom in the bedroom or home office, the Republicans are the far worse of two great evils. Republicans are extremely weak on sexual freedom - I would say "Talibanish". If you need to keep awake tonight just read that interview, it will send shivers down your spine. 2003 will be the start of the porn wars, and like abortion I think ultimately the Supreme Court will have to decide - and I have no faith in them on issues of sexuality. They don't know what obscenity is, they just know it when they see it. Last edited by CoolE; 11-21-2002 at 06:13 PM..