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SeeSea · 11-28-2002, 06:54 PM

I too have had this experience -- not directly with Traci - as I knew better after dealing with her partner Pensfan/Duane/BuckNaked/Nitro or whatever nick he uses. My gut feeling is he is Traci too. Although I do not have proof.

A year ago, I made a verbal agreement with him. The MO is exactly the same as what he did to me and my partner. We were promised $500 per site, he handed out bunches of sites to be created and then forgets to pay or "As soon as the client pays". We did sites that he did not want listed in our portfolio because his clients thought he was doing the design. After we refused to do any more work for him until he paid he found other designers to do the work. I have spoken with a few. We all decided not to say anything because he had us believing his job at adult.com was so important to him, and as long as he was working there was a hope of getting paid. I have to say though, AFTER bitching at him to pay, he only owes me $850 now. So he did try to pay along the way. He still owes my partner nearly the same amount.

I am fed up with it now. I should have come forward sooner, I appologize for not.

Recently I received an ICQ message from Traci Daily (liquidbydesign) asking if I would be interested in outsourcing and when I asked if "she" was still affiliated with Pensfan, she said no. As I said I can't prove it, but I feel Traci and Pensfan are one and the same. If not, they sure have taught each other well. But I see it as both are crooks. I spoke with Traci on the phone a year ago when she was Traci Carson - a sales person for 1 Prospect, at that time she admitted to not knowing how to design and needed me to do something for a presentation for her.
So when "she" won the contest I "knew" someone else had done it but thought it was pensfan. (Sorry Bat - great design btw!)
Bat -- my partner was one of the runners up and got paid more than you did for the winning design. THAT IS A CRIME!

Because of my experience with Pens and talking with the other designers that had bad experiences with him, I wanted to start a design brokerage site where designers's could get a fair shake. I put it on hold because I did not have the money to back me up. I am glad now that I did... seems now all design brokerage companies will have a bad name.

New designer's beware!

11-28-2002, 06:54 PM
SeeSea Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Confusion Posts: 79	I too have had this experience -- not directly with Traci - as I knew better after dealing with her partner Pensfan/Duane/BuckNaked/Nitro or whatever nick he uses. My gut feeling is he is Traci too. Although I do not have proof. A year ago, I made a verbal agreement with him. The MO is exactly the same as what he did to me and my partner. We were promised $500 per site, he handed out bunches of sites to be created and then forgets to pay or "As soon as the client pays". We did sites that he did not want listed in our portfolio because his clients thought he was doing the design. After we refused to do any more work for him until he paid he found other designers to do the work. I have spoken with a few. We all decided not to say anything because he had us believing his job at adult.com was so important to him, and as long as he was working there was a hope of getting paid. I have to say though, AFTER bitching at him to pay, he only owes me $850 now. So he did try to pay along the way. He still owes my partner nearly the same amount. I am fed up with it now. I should have come forward sooner, I appologize for not. Recently I received an ICQ message from Traci Daily (liquidbydesign) asking if I would be interested in outsourcing and when I asked if "she" was still affiliated with Pensfan, she said no. As I said I can't prove it, but I feel Traci and Pensfan are one and the same. If not, they sure have taught each other well. But I see it as both are crooks. I spoke with Traci on the phone a year ago when she was Traci Carson - a sales person for 1 Prospect, at that time she admitted to not knowing how to design and needed me to do something for a presentation for her. So when "she" won the contest I "knew" someone else had done it but thought it was pensfan. (Sorry Bat - great design btw!) Bat -- my partner was one of the runners up and got paid more than you did for the winning design. THAT IS A CRIME! Because of my experience with Pens and talking with the other designers that had bad experiences with him, I wanted to start a design brokerage site where designers's could get a fair shake. I put it on hold because I did not have the money to back me up. I am glad now that I did... seems now all design brokerage companies will have a bad name. New designer's beware! __________________ 49% Bitch, 51% Sweetheart ICQ: 354719