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wow, I never actually thought I would see the day that someone stood up for European Lee
so, by tempest's definition, since I am only involved "involved" with a group of people sitting at a table in a restaurant, if I don't eat, I am not actually a diner?
or wait, here is another one
since I am "involved" with my porn websites, but I never need to update them anymore because they are automated, I am not actually a webmaster
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