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Donnie Gangsta · 12-28-2002, 10:05 PM

Hehe.. what hooper's talking about isn't shaving, that's blatantly stealing. It's funny -- you can't shave cross sales because of datadumps, etc..

But, as someone else said above, the only real way to prove you're not shaving is to use your processor's reseller stats to track sales. This is what I do for my affiliates.. I use paycom, so I just have them manually multiply the initial sales by the amount they're getting paid per sign up... and it's really hard to afford more than $25 per free join.. even with two cross sales..I can do this cuz my affiliates don't care about click counting, etc.. just big traffic ppl, etc..private stuff

You should ask yourself why people who buy paycom ezclicks or cross sales only pay $20~ per sale? It's because they can't shave what the datadump shows... pretty funny that they pay regular webmasters so much more with an independent stats program.

Shaving is just the way the industry works.. W/o doing it, you just can't compete, typically speaking, unless you have something just really unique. Hate to say that, but it's true...

If other programs are paying $40/join, and you only pay $25-$30, and TRULY do not shave, you still just can't compete. It's a mental thing -- people think $40 per sign up, wow! Even if they're getting shaved down to $25-$30 (Which is the MOST anyone can afford without shaving, irrespective of what ANYONE claims).. with paycom you MIGHT be able to get away with $35/join if you have two prechecked ezclicks and an approval plus membership.. with cross sales in approval email as well

but that's just gouging the surfer really badly. If you're not completely broke, and don't need immediate per sign up money, it would probably be better to just do a good revshare with someone who offers you raw processor stats. There are a few really good revshare programs who offer you raw stats.. 100percentcash.com does 100% revshare with raw epoch systems stats... they just make their money from exits...

but, yeah.. it's just the truth..

I guess it's not my business, but I don't think a program would shave by removing your sign ups after the fact.

That's purely illogical.

12-28-2002, 10:05 PM
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Hehe.. what hooper's talking about isn't shaving, that's blatantly stealing. It's funny -- you can't shave cross sales because of datadumps, etc.. But, as someone else said above, the only real way to prove you're not shaving is to use your processor's reseller stats to track sales. This is what I do for my affiliates.. I use paycom, so I just have them manually multiply the initial sales by the amount they're getting paid per sign up... and it's really hard to afford more than $25 per free join.. even with two cross sales..I can do this cuz my affiliates don't care about click counting, etc.. just big traffic ppl, etc..private stuff You should ask yourself why people who buy paycom ezclicks or cross sales only pay $20~ per sale? It's because they can't shave what the datadump shows... pretty funny that they pay regular webmasters so much more with an independent stats program. Shaving is just the way the industry works.. W/o doing it, you just can't compete, typically speaking, unless you have something just really unique. Hate to say that, but it's true... If other programs are paying $40/join, and you only pay $25-$30, and TRULY do not shave, you still just can't compete. It's a mental thing -- people think $40 per sign up, wow! Even if they're getting shaved down to $25-$30 (Which is the MOST anyone can afford without shaving, irrespective of what ANYONE claims).. with paycom you MIGHT be able to get away with $35/join if you have two prechecked ezclicks and an approval plus membership.. with cross sales in approval email as well but that's just gouging the surfer really badly. If you're not completely broke, and don't need immediate per sign up money, it would probably be better to just do a good revshare with someone who offers you raw processor stats. There are a few really good revshare programs who offer you raw stats.. 100percentcash.com does 100% revshare with raw epoch systems stats... they just make their money from exits... but, yeah.. it's just the truth.. I guess it's not my business, but I don't think a program would shave by removing your sign ups after the fact. That's purely illogical. Last edited by Donnie Gangsta; 12-28-2002 at 10:07 PM..