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Originally Posted by Linkster
Well - that certainly explains to me why there was such a large orthodox jewish turnout at the holocust-denial convention in Europe - makes total sense now
I was also of the impression that the orthodox believers have always held that the commanments tell them that the "promised land of Israel" will be delivered rather than something that had to be created??
Of course I only studied religion as part of my wanting to understand why there was so much hate and killing associated with religion when every religious "guide or book" seems to forbid these - helped me understand the sheep 
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Orthodox jews believe the holocaust happened, just not all the facets that surround it, etc. The main reasons jews and jesus don't get along is because of a few factors. The main one is the messiah is supposed to place all jews in the land of israel, rebuild the temple, and secure the jewish people. Jesus did none of this, hence why Orthodox, and the lower forms of judism reject Jesus as the Messiah. God is the one who needs to execute the creation of israel, and the temple - not zionists or his people. I'm not totally sure, but I believe the Messiah was capable of the same, but Jesus never did that.