Originally Posted by OzMan

My name isn't Will but here's my opinion on nightsurf. It appears to be an agreement between Ifriends and MSN where Ifriends pays to get top listings on pretty much all adult keyword searches on MSN Search.

Just like people buying PPC listings on Google get their ads featured above/more prominently than organic results.

Is it ethical that someone's listing gets displayed above mine just because they paid? Who gives a fuck ...tough shit for me. MSN, Google etc are free to monetize their pages as they see fit as long as it is legal.

So are nitesurf and the Adwords etc guys "stealing" sales from me?

In a way they are but if you call that stealing, then so are all the sites listed above me in the regular search results as I would more likely get the visitor/sale if I was listed above them.

Is this the same as zango?

Hardly. zango tries to take the visitor/sale once they are at your site with aggressive popups targeted to a site with similar content to yours.

I assume you mention nightsurf as a "see ifriends isn't perfect either" type comment.

No company is perfect. I don't think Will ever said iFriends was. Indeed iFriends was involved with zango up until a few months ago. They stopped. So did AFF.

I think Will and others are pretty much done with rehashing why AFF started/stopped using zango.

He is currently trying to engage those sponsors who are still using zango in a dialogue but they are too chicken shit to even reply and, unlike AFF where everyone jumped on the bandwagon to criticize their use of zango, everybody is deafeningly quiet when SponsorX and zango is mentioned so it's a lost cause for now but one might snap soon and actually man up and at least try to defend their actions here you never know.