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kane · 06-23-2007, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

So based on horrible sad story's (and I am sure there are more out there), we should go with government crutches? Is the government going to make it all better? There are horror stories in EVERYTHING. That will never change. Nothing is perfect and shit does happen that is not fair. That is just the way life is. I hate it but I can't change unfairness and cruelty of the world.

But my question is, why the fuck would anyone want the government to control anything else in their lives? LESS GOVERNMENT!

Michael Moore has a great way of showing just enough to make you think what HE WANTS you to think. There are so many government assistant programs out there it is not even funny. People just don't use them because the "headline readers" (and Michael Moore fear buying customers) say there is nothing out there for anyone and people just sit on their ass and believe that instead of going out and finding what they can do to help better their lives in any situation.

When I got into a motorcycle accident when I was in my 20's, getting away from the family and wanting to be on my own, I had no insurance and I got great medical care, plus I got assistance with the bills. I have had many friends that I have helped over the years in the same situation and got the same results.

I think once the government starts controlling that part of our lives, you will see the decrease of competition in the medical fields. Competition is great and it makes people work harder to find better cures for illnesses. That is why America leads the way in that field as well.

I can?t stand when people say out of one side of their mouth, I hate the government it is so corrupted, but out the other side of their mouth its the government should support me and pay for everything. Make up your mind, you either like the government or you don't.

The people are not stupid we can take care of ourselves and our families. And the people who are in this country who can't take care of themselves, there are several programs already out there for them. NOTHING IS PERFECT and NOTHING EVER WILL BE. People will die no matter what medical system you have in place. I would love to see Michael take his hate for America and put on England, France or Canada and I bet you anything you will see a worse more heart breaking shit story than the one he just put out on America. I can pick and choose what horror stories I want in any situation and show them to you all at one time and make you think the way I want. DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE AND UNDERSTAND THIS FORM OF BULLSHIT? I mean come on it's so fucking obvious. It's communism 101. Control the people by installing fear. Not to mention how some of you claim to have such a deep understanding of how the government spins information, but yet you can?t see this? I believe that is selective learning, taught in most colleges today! LOL

If you let the government have any more control over you, you will fuck yourself more than you could ever image. Once they get you to depend on them for things that you can take care of yourself, it?s hard to get away from it. Look what happen with welfare. It was designed to help, but instead people took advantage of it and ended up depending on it for life and not their own ability to succeed. It keeps people down, it doesn?t help motivate them to succeed and be their best. Yes, I know there are people who do use welfare the way it should be used, to help get through a tough time and get back on their feet.

And look at Social Security. At the time it was needed, but now it is not. People depend on that money instead of planning their own retirements. See the crutch the government wants you to have so they have the power. LESS GOVERNMENT BETTER COUNTRY!!! And don't think for one second that poor old people living on Medicaid and SS are not being fucked over and scammed too. There are WAY more shit horror stories about old people suffering and dieing while under the government?s wonderful Medicaid and SS services than of no Universal Health Care.

Opportunity is everywhere in this country, ask anyone of the people who stuffed themselves in crates and boxes to get here. It?s because they want the freedom to make the choices they want in their lives and use their talents and brains to support them and become successful. They don?t come here to have another government control them. The government crutch is always introduced by the use of fear and that is Michael Moore's favorite tactic. His 911 bullshit was debunked and I am sure this movie will be brought to light as well.

I think it was France that had that huge heat wave and thousands of people died. There was no gathering of people to help each other during that heat wave, because everyone just thought their government would take care of them. That didn?t work out to well, did it?

America is America because of how Americans are, HELPFUL and GIVING! And if you can?t see that then you are blinded by your own ?headline reading? hateful agenda. And of course I will say this again because apparently this thread is filled with people who will ignore a million good situations over a thousand bad situations, NOTHING IS PERFECT, THERE WILL NEVER BE A SOCIAL UTOPIA, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AN ASSHOLE, A LIAR, A BACK STABBER, A KILLER, A GREEDY ASSHOLE, A CORRUPT DOCTOR, EVIL PRIEST, A THOUGHTLESS HUMAN ETC.... THEY WILL ALWAYS BE EVERYWHERE and falling for more government crutches will not make those types of people go away.

Funny how everyone says America is the richest country, but in the same breath says how we need to change everything. LOL I guess if we changed everything to be more like the other countries who are NOT the richest and best then we would get better? LOL

WE ARE THE TOP BECAUSE WE HAVE A BETTER SYSTEM. I know that burns you anti-Americans but a fact is a fact. We are the best because we are not like the other countries the Michael Moore lovers of world want us to be like. And once again for all those who think too extreme, NO SYSTEM IS PREFECT!

I'm all for free market capitalism and agree that in almost every case less government is better. That said we have some social programs that do work pretty well like the fire department, police and post office. You could argue that the education system works well depending on where you live and how much effort you are willing to put into it. I think a national health care system done correctly could be a very good thing for this country. The problem is I can't imagine a day when it could actually be done correctly simply because it would require our lawmakers to stand up to the pharmaceutical companies and tell them that they can no longer ass rape the American people and it would require them to gut some programs and rethink others and I can't imagine that they would ever actually pull off such an undertaking.

But I ask you this: In a country where we are all allowed to live and pursue the American dream, is it fair that a person works hard, pays their taxes, follows the laws and does everything right as a productive, quality member of society only to lose it all because they got sick? There is a good case right in Moore's movie. A couple both worked hard and raised their family and put their kids through college and then retired and were looking forward to their retirement together when suddenly, in one year, he had three heart attacks and she got diagnosed with cancer. The insurance company didn't pay for a lot of the treatment and the co-pays for the other stuff were so high they drained every cent from their savings, lost their house and now spend pretty much every dollar on medicine and medical care to pay for their treatment. They have had to move in with their kids and live off the charity of their family. Is that fair? I know life is not fair and bad things happen to good people, but is it such an evil idea that there be some kind of a safety net to help people like this out so they don't lose everything they worked their entire lives to get?

Also, the country demands certain things of us as citizens. We have no choice (other than jail) but to pay taxes. If our government decides to get into a war our volunteer military can't handle they can draft us and send us to fight and die. We can choose not to go, but the alternative is - again - jail. They demand that we accept certain laws and rules that are there for the good of all society even though we may not personally agree with them. For example I may want to smoke a joint from time to time and it has no ill effect on me, but since others can't control themselves it is illegal and I am forced to not do as I wish because of this. Or maybe I would like to sit in my house and play a little online poker, but the government has decided that is bad for me so I can't. If the country can demand certain things of me as a citizen, is it wrong for me to ask for certain things in return?