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Old 07-15-2007, 05:59 PM  
pocketkangaroo
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Originally Posted by Scootermuze View Post
Actually 6012 tries to say who is required to file returns... not pay taxes.. and is an enforcement code.. not an imposing code.....
I know, 6151 is the code that requires you to pay it.

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze View Post
You have to establish who is required to actually pay before any return requirement can apply...
Those required to pay are those who are required to file. It states so in 6151.
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The privacy act states that you must file a return or statement with us for any tax you are liable for.

The only code that shows who is liable is 3403..
Only employers and withholding agents are liable...
Now who are withholding agents? 7701 (a) (16)

(16) Withholding agent. The term ''withholding agent'' means any person required to deduct and withhold any tax under the provisions of sections
1441 - Withholding of tax on nonresident aliens
1442 - Withholding of tax on foreign corporations
1443 - Foreign tax-exempt organizations
1461 - Liability for withheld tax

Sooo.. citizens aren't liable for taxes on U.S. wages.

Now.. the form required to be filled out pertinent to 6012 has an OMB number of 1545-0067.. This is form 2555 - Foreign Earned Income
1.6012-0................................ 1545-0067

Form 1040 is used if there are refunds, deductions, etc for what taxes that are required, but not for a requirement to pay..

This could go on forever....
What the law says and what the courts do can be two totally different things because of the confusions and gray areas of the code...

If you want to get to the guts of it all and like to read alot, it's all here with the codes references and the whole speal.....
Not a conspiracy site... just all the guts...
The Privacy Act thing is one of the weakest arguments made by these sites. There's a ton of court cases that have rejected every one of these arguments from US vs Wunder, Salberg vs US, US vs Holden, Lonsdale vs US, US vs Neff, and US vs Hicks.

You can argue that the courts are all wrong, but the judicial branch has the job of interpreting law. If they say the law stands and rejects the case, then it stands. Are you saying that the courts are all wrong? The only argument you can make is based on that, since every issue you brought up has been ruled on by our courts over many decades.

And I've read through sites like that. They have interesting interpretations of our laws. But it doesn't matter what they think, it matters what a court says about it.
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