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oh yeah.. valerian has never done shite for me.. and i've taken a lot as well as the rest of it - passionflower, chamomile etc, and the only time kava kava has actually worked for me was when I was in vanuatu and drank fresh stuff with the locals.. I bought some when I got home and it just didn't work for me.. as well as the concentrate squirt bottle stuff they sell..
as much as it sucks the only thing i find really works are valium, doxylamine succinate or high dose codeine ( 20 - 30mg) which is really lame as excepting the codeine, although the pharmaceuticals knock you out, it's also unbearable to get up in the morning because you're still so fucking tired.. if they could make it last for 3 or 4 hours that would be great, but taking this stuff and being groggy for 12 hours isn't good, besides the fact that taking too much valium and doxylamine isn't good.
I'd really love to find some herbal equivalent but there just isn't.
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