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RawAlex · 10-04-2007, 07:33 PM

All? No. But let me tell you a little story that might help you understand better how things work. It is based on some simple internet theories.

What do most (reasonably smart and informed) people do when they see a site spewing viruses? The look up the domain, see where it is hosted, and the let the host know about the problem. It is also the same typical reaction for spam, toolbar installs, and all that sort of thing.

Some of the guys doing this sort of stuff get smarter. Since they know the complaints are going to go to the host, why not "become the host"? With so many companies being in the reselling business, it isn't hard to get a reseller level account with one or more of the major hosting companies, and you are on your way. Put up a nice looking website, remember to have your contact, abuse, and network ops contact info up there all big, and away you go. As far as the general public can tell, you are the host.

So, when someone wants to complain about spam or viruses, they are complaining to the same guy who is sending them out, just under a different name wearing a different hat. In order to keep the heat down, the can even set up a new domain, and over time deactivate the old domain with a big anti-spam anti-virus message and look good for doing it.

Now, take it a couple of steps further. Smart people know to check to see who owns the IP block. That is a good way to tell who really is hosting them, right? Well, if you get your own IP blocks, then once again the complaints will go to you, and not to anyone else.

Want to be really secure? Set up your own Domain Registry. By ICANN rules, any problem of a registration is sent to the registry in question to resolve with their client. Again, another one of those ways to control the complaints and handle things internally, so that you don't ever lose connectivity.

In a word, you create a company called ESTDOMAINS.

Anyway... when it comes to copyright violating scumbags, it is very helpful to have all the doors barred and every little hole secured. TPB is their own host, plus they are also one of the larger ISPs in Sweden, making it very, very hard indeed to take them down.

10-04-2007, 07:33 PM
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	All? No. But let me tell you a little story that might help you understand better how things work. It is based on some simple internet theories. What do most (reasonably smart and informed) people do when they see a site spewing viruses? The look up the domain, see where it is hosted, and the let the host know about the problem. It is also the same typical reaction for spam, toolbar installs, and all that sort of thing. Some of the guys doing this sort of stuff get smarter. Since they know the complaints are going to go to the host, why not "become the host"? With so many companies being in the reselling business, it isn't hard to get a reseller level account with one or more of the major hosting companies, and you are on your way. Put up a nice looking website, remember to have your contact, abuse, and network ops contact info up there all big, and away you go. As far as the general public can tell, you are the host. So, when someone wants to complain about spam or viruses, they are complaining to the same guy who is sending them out, just under a different name wearing a different hat. In order to keep the heat down, the can even set up a new domain, and over time deactivate the old domain with a big anti-spam anti-virus message and look good for doing it. Now, take it a couple of steps further. Smart people know to check to see who owns the IP block. That is a good way to tell who really is hosting them, right? Well, if you get your own IP blocks, then once again the complaints will go to you, and not to anyone else. Want to be really secure? Set up your own Domain Registry. By ICANN rules, any problem of a registration is sent to the registry in question to resolve with their client. Again, another one of those ways to control the complaints and handle things internally, so that you don't ever lose connectivity. In a word, you create a company called ESTDOMAINS. Anyway... when it comes to copyright violating scumbags, it is very helpful to have all the doors barred and every little hole secured. TPB is their own host, plus they are also one of the larger ISPs in Sweden, making it very, very hard indeed to take them down.