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Old 02-08-2003, 10:40 AM  
Undutchable
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My whole point was that the Uniteds States will not be taken down by the muslim world or any other peoples that make the attempt without using everything in our arsenal in an effort to prevent that from happening.

Oh, I believe that, and I believe America will do everything in it's power to fight back. But why not just avoid that? Do you really want this clash of civilzations so bad? This is all so saddening, the world took billions of years to evolve, and mankind took another few millions to come into being and to build this entire civilization.. This long and hard process that millions have given their lives up to to reach is now under the possibility of being ruined in the biggest war mankind has ever seen. Wouldn't we want to do EVERYTHING in our power to prevent that?

You say, but how will we handle Saddam? What's the alternative?

One of my personal basic rules in evaluation is that a bad thing (war) can only be used if the outcome does more good than harm. In the current climate, it will do more good than harm. Terrorism will rise and the clash of civilizations is brought another step closer. WE CANNOT RISK THIS! It's simply not worth it, and common sense tells us that a small benefit (removing Saddam) is not desirable if it means a greater evil will be created as a result.

I am not over estimating anything. Do you seriously think the muslim world is going to unite and act against us as, proposed by another poster, and sacrifice several hundred millions of their lives in an attempt to topple the USA? Even if you do think this we will send several hundred million people to see Allah before we fall.

Yes I seriously think that. Once they feel that their entire community, religion, and family are at stake, they will have nothing to loose. They don't care if they die because they want to die. Most Muslims are in an inferior position at the moment anyways, why not opt for heaven and 72 virgins? They do not think like us. When we see that a couple thousands of "our boys" are killed, we mourn for them and we critize the gov. When they see a couple thousand killed, they praise them and they admire and look up to them. Add to that the increased hate for the enemy and you will see an exponential increase of violence against us from them. The more we kill them, the more opposition we will face - and Western politics have never understood this. We have always responded with "we need to send them a clear signal, a clear message". They don't interpret that message the same! It only makes the situation worse!!

What different approach would that be?

Well why not wait. Why not correctly handle the Afghani situation first. Get involved there, build up what we destroyed. We killed tens of thousands of people there, why not express sorrow for that. Why not show our compassions for these deaths by doing everything we can to build a strong country there, to remove dangers such as landmines, to introduce schools and to show respect for the local customs. Why not show the world a different side?

Once we have re-gained trust and co-operation with the Muslim world it'll be easy as fuck getting rid of Saddam. We have made them hate us more than they hate Saddam! This is exactly the opposite of what we should've done. If we have good relations with the Muslim world, they will aid us in removing the evil from among themselves... But as long as they see us a greater danger than their own evil leaders, then we have taken the wrong approach and we will only make things worse for both parties.
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