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  • Peaches
    Old broad
    • Oct 2002
    • 13933
    #51
    Free Gonzo!

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      • tiger
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        • Apr 2002
        • 6986
        #52
        Contacting my rep now. If that's the case I'm leaving.

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          • uno
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            • Dec 2002
            • 18450
            #53
            Originally posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle
            so is this going to be another 18 pager?
            Doubt it. As far as we know they haven't fucked anyone yet.
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              • Sebastian Sands
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                • Mar 2005
                • 5223
                #54
                any word yet?

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                  • WiredGuy
                    Pounding Googlebot
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 34513
                    #55
                    Its not a great solution, but in the interest of keeping your account active, why not create a 3-5 page site and throw up some links. Send a couple hits a day, keep the recurrings active. It sucks, but if they want traffic that bad and its worth your while to keep your checks coming, it may be a half descent solution. If they require sales to keep your account active, that would really suck.
                    WG
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                      • tranza
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 57559
                        #56
                        Originally posted by StuartD
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                          • kristin
                            GOO!
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 9768
                            #57
                            Originally posted by vod
                            XonDemand will not cancel your account if you do not send traffic...
                            It's a little unprofessional to come in and spam your product on threads like this.
                            Vacares rules.

                            "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                              • TheDoc
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 13827
                                #58
                                Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                Its not a great solution, but in the interest of keeping your account active, why not create a 3-5 page site and throw up some links. Send a couple hits a day, keep the recurrings active. It sucks, but if they want traffic that bad and its worth your while to keep your checks coming, it may be a half descent solution. If they require sales to keep your account active, that would really suck.
                                WG
                                I think most people use theaters to promote them, and with aebn theaters you don't get click tracking.

                                Makes me wonder how they even know if the Fris does or doesn't send traffic.
                                Last edited by TheDoc; 06-24-2008, 10:58 AM.
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                                  • BusterBunny
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                                    • Aug 2005
                                    • 19291
                                    #59
                                    50?.....
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                                      • BradM
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                                        • Dec 2003
                                        • 3397
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by TheDoc
                                        I think most people use theaters to promote them, and with aebn theaters you don't get click tracking.

                                        Makes me wonder how they even know if the Fris does or doesn't send traffic.
                                        They have tracking. They may not give it to you, but there is tracking.

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                                          • NikKay
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                                            • Aug 2001
                                            • 1642
                                            #61
                                            Legal made me go through the T&C's of every sponsor we promoted in a project I managed last year. Almost every single sponsor has within their T&C's:

                                            1. The right to change the T&C's at any time without notice.
                                            2. The right to cancel accounts for any reason without notice.

                                            It's pretty fucked up and I had a hell of a time convincing our brand new non-adult attorney to let me promote ANYBODY without a separate legal agreement in our favor.

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                                              • babymaker
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                                                • Jan 2004
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                                                #62
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                                                  • pocketkangaroo
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                                                    • Jan 2005
                                                    • 8452
                                                    #63
                                                    Makes you wonder how bad of shape the industry really is.

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                                                      • spacedog
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                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                        • 14149
                                                        #64
                                                        I'm not one bit surprised.
                                                        Last edited by spacedog; 06-24-2008, 11:19 AM.

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                                                          • Gnus
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                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                            • 577
                                                            #65
                                                            Tell me it ain't so. Dam we have almost a 100 members with them. I hope this isn't true.

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                                                              • Sosa
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                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 40149
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Gnus
                                                                Tell me it ain't so. Dam we have almost a 100 members with them. I hope this isn't true.

                                                                Gary
                                                                Not in a couple weeks lol

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                                                                  • Gnus
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                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                    • 577
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Sosa
                                                                    Not in a couple weeks lol
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                                                                      • TheDoc
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                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                        • 13827
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by BradM
                                                                        They have tracking. They may not give it to you, but there is tracking.
                                                                        The theater system is like 10 years old with them.. I don't think they tracked it then, and since it hasn't changed/updated in 10 years, I'm going to go with they don't track it now.
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                                                                          • moeloubani
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                                                                            • Dec 2007
                                                                            • 4235
                                                                            #69
                                                                            I emailed them and asked if it was true and the guy said:

                                                                            'No, that is not true. Read the terms of service agreement. All concerns would be covered there.'

                                                                            So I guess that was all just a bunch of BS.

                                                                            (My question was: Hello Bill, is it true that AEBN will no longer send revshare payouts to people that haven't sent traffic in 90 days?)

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                                                                              • DWB
                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                • 31779
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Bunch of tools over there.

                                                                                I give them 20+ DVDs a year to put in their system and they still call me and try to sell me on using AEBN.
                                                                                Last edited by DWB; 06-24-2008, 12:06 PM.

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                                                                                  • Tat2Jr
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                    • 4882
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by commonsense
                                                                                    Would REALLY like to see an Aebn rep in here. If true this is FUCKED.
                                                                                    BUMP

                                                                                    I make $60-$100 a month off them. No new members in 90 days???? Why should I have to be checking that? I've got 100 members that buy, but what if I have a 3 month dry spell? AEBN - Please clear this up so I don't have to pull my members area traffic.
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                                                                                      • Antonio
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                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                        • 14136
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                        Its not a great solution, but in the interest of keeping your account active, why not create a 3-5 page site and throw up some links. Send a couple hits a day, keep the recurrings active. It sucks, but if they want traffic that bad and its worth your while to keep your checks coming, it may be a half descent solution. If they require sales to keep your account active, that would really suck.
                                                                                        WG
                                                                                        they want members, not traffic, so 20 hits a day won't cut it
                                                                                        btw just checked my stats with them 22 000 clicks made me $31.00

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                                                                                          • xentech
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jan 2006
                                                                                            • 1405
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by moeloubani
                                                                                            I emailed them and asked if it was true and the guy said:

                                                                                            'No, that is not true. Read the terms of service agreement. All concerns would be covered there.'

                                                                                            So I guess that was all just a bunch of BS.

                                                                                            (My question was: Hello Bill, is it true that AEBN will no longer send revshare payouts to people that haven't sent traffic in 90 days?)
                                                                                            I doubt Fris would make that up....

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                                                                                              • st0ned
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2007
                                                                                                • 8437
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                What a crock of shit. WTF is up with all of these companies who say "Lifetime payouts" when they are not indeed lifetime? It should be changed to "Lifetime payouts with lifetime promotion". Fuckin whacked...Lets keep this thread on top.
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                                                                                                  • _Richard_
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                                                    • 30989
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by NikKay
                                                                                                    Legal made me go through the T&C's of every sponsor we promoted in a project I managed last year. Almost every single sponsor has within their T&C's:

                                                                                                    1. The right to change the T&C's at any time without notice.
                                                                                                    2. The right to cancel accounts for any reason without notice.

                                                                                                    It's pretty fucked up and I had a hell of a time convincing our brand new non-adult attorney to let me promote ANYBODY without a separate legal agreement in our favor.
                                                                                                    haha there's a story i would like to hear

                                                                                                    especially with that # 2

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                                                                                                      • GatorB
                                                                                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                        • 18208
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Tat2Jr
                                                                                                        BUMP

                                                                                                        I make $60-$100 a month off them. No new members in 90 days???? Why should I have to be checking that? I've got 100 members that buy, but what if I have a 3 month dry spell? AEBN - Please clear this up so I don't have to pull my members area traffic.
                                                                                                        Just currious as to how you know which members are buying?

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                                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                            • 30307
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by tiger
                                                                                                            Contacting my rep now. If that's the case I'm leaving.
                                                                                                            Me to...
                                                                                                            Luckily I was not big promoter or have them everywhere on my sites. They just lost my 5 uniques day! LOL!@

                                                                                                            Un-fucking real news though. If these big providers think this is good policy they got another thing comming.
                                                                                                            Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 06-24-2008, 03:24 PM.

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                                                                                                              • d-null
                                                                                                                . . .
                                                                                                                • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                • 13724
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                this stuff is out in the open at least, I wonder if quiet shaving is growing lately or not?

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                                                                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                    • 30307
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by jetjet
                                                                                                                    this stuff is out in the open at least, I wonder if quiet shaving is growing lately or not?
                                                                                                                    NO eventually program operators will tell you they shave but just not as much as they usually do.


                                                                                                                    PS: It is important to note VS changed thier policy and terms conditions stating Lifetime payouts specifically. I think it is important to say this, as I am starting to see a pattern.
                                                                                                                    Perhaps some programs will choose to terminate non traffic sending affiliates as a standard?

                                                                                                                    Spooky, we better start making a list of companies that engage this philosophy.
                                                                                                                    Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 06-24-2008, 03:41 PM.

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                                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        I for one am glad Video Secrets changed there policy to honor lifetime payouts.

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                                                                                                                          • Chauncy
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                            • 642
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            An I the only one who senses shenanigans we all know about the VS thing and the 18 pages and all the other threads that followed. I am 100% sure the Fris is not the only person her making recurring income from AEBN who has not sent a hit in 90 days but he is probably the most active poster here who hasn't. We have all see the love thread after VS has done the right thing. Is this just a marketing stunt?? I mean we all know the old adage "all press is good press" I am just saying...

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                                                                                                                              • Tat2Jr
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                • 4882
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                Just currious as to how you know which members are buying?
                                                                                                                                I don't. Rereading what I posted I can see why you thought I was saying that. I just meant that I have 100 members, and I have sales each month. It might just be one of them or 10 or 100 spending a buck each.
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                                                                                                                                  • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                    Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                    • 28760
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Chauncy
                                                                                                                                    An I the only one who senses shenanigans we all know about the VS thing and the 18 pages and all the other threads that followed. I am 100% sure the Fris is not the only person her making recurring income from AEBN who has not sent a hit in 90 days but he is probably the most active poster here who hasn't. We have all see the love thread after VS has done the right thing. Is this just a marketing stunt?? I mean we all know the old adage "all press is good press" I am just saying...

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                                                                                                                                      • Gnus
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                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                        • 577
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        It would be nice if AEBN will confirm or deny this.

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                                                                                                                                          • ayeronnie
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                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 64
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Gnus
                                                                                                                                            It would be nice if AEBN will confirm or deny this.

                                                                                                                                            Gary
                                                                                                                                            That's what I was waiting to see.

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                                                                                                                                              • Tjeezers
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                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                                • 16603
                                                                                                                                                #86

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                                                                                                                                                  • SBJ
                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 11377
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Gnus
                                                                                                                                                    It would be nice if AEBN will confirm or deny this.

                                                                                                                                                    Gary
                                                                                                                                                    yup would like to see their response too

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                                                                                                                                                      • Vick!
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                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                        • 6882
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        not again ..
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                                                                                                                                                          • fris
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                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 55750
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Well the person works at aebn, and has phone number registered to aebn when she called me.

                                                                                                                                                            I could careless about the money, its the fact of lifetime revshare not being lifetime revshare.
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                                                                                                                                                              • The_Adventure
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                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                                • 245
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Any news?? I just started promoting them..sent over 100 members and made $9 so far.

                                                                                                                                                                If this is true, I have another reason to drop them.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jim_Gunn
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                    • 5702
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                                                                                                    Bunch of tools over there.

                                                                                                                                                                    I give them 20+ DVDs a year to put in their system and they still call me and try to sell me on using AEBN.
                                                                                                                                                                    Just curious DWB, who distributes your DVDs and how are they selling for you in the current market? I still release some lesbian DVD movies, but the market has sure changed over time. I assume you are releasing asian and mostly tranny movies?

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 13449
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        This is just flat out fucking extortion. I hear shit like this is pretty common in mainstream marketing, but in adult it's an anomaly.

                                                                                                                                                                        Anyone who owns any type of revenue sharing program needs to read this.
                                                                                                                                                                        You have customers you wouldn't have had because of traffic we sent you. We could have sent that traffic to your competitors but instead we sent it to you. If those customers are still spending money then we deserve our cut. If you continue to pull shit like this then we will all insist on being paid per signup IN ADVANCE because we can't trust you to honor long term agreements.

                                                                                                                                                                        I shouldn't have to send you business tomorrow in order to get paid my fair share for business I sent you today.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • darksoul
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 4997
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            That would be a dumb move on their side after working so hard (they emailed me till I gave up and signed up) to get new affiliates.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Doctor Dre
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                • 51692
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Time to pull links everybody...
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                                                                                I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • jscott
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 25421
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hopefully this is a misunderstanding, I'd hope there isnt another ripoff sponsor going for these TOS fuckovers

                                                                                                                                                                                    Good luck Fris and all other AEBN promoters (or ex-promoters)
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Just Mike
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 3726
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                                                                                                                                                                                        this is a real shame they are doing this

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 18208
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                                                                            This is just flat out fucking extortion. I hear shit like this is pretty common in mainstream marketing, but in adult it's an anomaly.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Anyone who owns any type of revenue sharing program needs to read this.
                                                                                                                                                                                            You have customers you wouldn't have had because of traffic we sent you. We could have sent that traffic to your competitors but instead we sent it to you. If those customers are still spending money then we deserve our cut. If you continue to pull shit like this then we will all insist on being paid per signup IN ADVANCE because we can't trust you to honor long term agreements.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I shouldn't have to send you business tomorrow in order to get paid my fair share for business I sent you today.
                                                                                                                                                                                            It's not like they're paying 50%, 60% or 70% revshare like some places. They only pay 20% so they already keep 80%

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • the Shemp
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 10891
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                who owns AEBN ?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Tjeezers
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 16603
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Scott Coffman, president and CEO of AEBN
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Brad Ziel, Managing Director for AEBN


                                                                                                                                                                                                    They also own http://whois.domaintools.com/pornotube.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                    As you can see...

                                                                                                                                                                                                    anyway, i find it suspicious they do not come into GFY to kill this thread while it still has 2 pages.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • digifan
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Profiler
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 14618
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sex2Have
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Scott Coffman, president and CEO of AEBN
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Brad Ziel, Managing Director for AEBN


                                                                                                                                                                                                        They also own http://whois.domaintools.com/pornotube.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                        As you can see...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        anyway, i find it suspicious they do not come into GFY to kill this thread while it still has 2 pages.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        But it has 2 pages.. and growing.
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