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Originally Posted by Socks
PS: Speaking of England.. If you wanna see a fucked up history, look no further.. 2,000 years of ridiculous monarchy and religious wars, and people are concerned their country is falling apart because some muslims are complaining and changing laws - legally?
And people are concerned about VIOLENCE? bwahahhahahhaahahaha.. Come onnnnnnnnn.. England has rivers of blood flowing from wars gone by, because some prince married a girl from a family he wasn't supposed to, or didn't send enough tribute, etc etc..
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your ignorance is showing on many levels
marriages were arranged as methods to keep peace and forge alliances between the ruling parties of many countries throughout europe. countries did not go to war with one another over mere personal vanities, at least not very often. if a truce of some type was arranged and tributes were to be paid, but were then revoked, it was not merely some trite marital problem as you are implying, it was a problem of a treaty being broken with real international consequences unrelated to the couple involved in the marriage.
the 'religious wars' you speak of that took place throughout europe had little to do with modern day concepts of religion as a sunday morning social event so much as they did a significant controlling factor in society more equivalent to what we now equate with modern government. we have since separated religion from government; much of the muslim world has not made that advance.
as to the "2000 years of monarchy" you mention - their monarchy no longer plays the same role in their government as it once did, and probably to their detriment in events such as this.
their current monarchy can trace it's origins back only 1000 years to the Norman invasion, not 2000; prior to the Norman invasion the island was ruled by many smaller factions, not the current monarchy. at least get your history right if you're going to attempt to mock it.
the problems mentioned are not solely those of expected violence, they are of preserving one's land and culture. unlike those of us in North America, residents of that isle have a very long ancestral claim to the land, relinquished only
once in the last one thousand years, and only then to a culture at least somewhat similar to their own which sought to integrate themselves with the existing inhabitants. your claim that they don't somehow have a right to the land which their ancestors have been brought into this world on for countless generations, and that they are living in but a small window of time where the owners of the land will change cultures and heritages many times simply has no basis in historical fact in their case. They are English, not Americans or Canadians.
Those who will decide the fate of England are those who live there now. They can accept defeat or do what is necessary to stem the tide; this same type of event has occurred many times throughout much of europe and every time the native europeans have found success. There is nothing preventing modern day Brits from enjoying that same success but themselves.