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Originally Posted by ScriptWorkz
No, i write more complex code then tours. I'm usually hired for billing systems, affiliate tracking, custom stuff, stuff that you couldn't begin to comprehend all the details and layers of complexity.
I do plenty of table-less pages, i'll be damned if i go posting my mainstream clients sites on gfy of all places. I'm telling you honestly that if you took the time to learn css properly instead of fiddle fucking with your bloated table based crap, you would understand why i'm saying what i'm saying.
Tours of all places should be table-less, There is absolutely no limit to positioning with css, so you even suggesting they should be table based is absurd. If any page should be optimized for search engines and fast loading, containing as little markup as possible while still being as attractive as you want it to be, it should be a tour page.
You make tours based with tables because you can't properly do it with css. That's your fault, not css's, don't go spouting off how tables are better when their not.
Program Owners: Any tour page composed of a bunch of tables should be rejected. Make table-less a base requirement, you will thank me later. It is absolutely no harder to lay one out using tables than it is css, and anyone that tells you otherwise probably shouldn't be hired. You want fast loading, se optimized, pretty tours, demand css and no tables for any data that isn't tabular.
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Ahh so you are a programmer and all that shit...
AHha...
Yeah. OK. So like you know why tours are coded the way they are these days and how well the industry has optimised Tours to be SEO optimised vs lacking design elements. You do realise that SEO and adult tours is kinda uhmmm not really a priority? Do you know why?
I can see that SEO on tours could help but I do not see why tableless design is absolute necessary. Who is to say that Table based design is all so much batter for SE? the information is still read in the text. Calling tablated data to a SE vs. non-tabulated is like comparing an apple to an apple. It's a very very minute difference.
But hey lets get into practical coding now! Thats going to be fun. You use PHP to make SEO pages? Ya use a Database? Sure do don't ya? Now that information within the database is not really going to show in SE's is it?
But don't take my word for it! Lets see what the experts say!
"PHP Search Engine Optimization
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You want to convince search engine spiders to crawl your pages frequently. You need to put in keyword-rich, dynamic content to help convince the spiders to check your pages regularly. Unfortunately, many spiders trip over dynamic pages. How do you fix this problem? Use PHP to give your dynamic pages static-looking URLs. Roger Stringer explains how to do it.
PHP is a useful language, used by many all over the Web. But it has one failing. By its nature, it is not search engine friendly. In fact, it's the exact opposite. But with some clever tweaking, we can make PHP a powerful tool in the quest for search engine dominance."
http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Search-En...-Optimization/
From other sources regarding Tabulated and non tabulated data.
"The idea behind SEO is that spiders will typically only crawl up to a certain kilobyte of data. Usually crawl from the top down. The more data, or in this case table tags, potentially the less content a spider can crawl, especially for longer pages."
So ultimatly what the conclusion here is simple...
Adult content which is mainly photos/video has very little necessisty for tabulated or non tabulated design infact it will make ZERO difference, and should a SE Spider come in to a tour or free site the Crawl of the spider is seldomly going to be limited by the content displayed on the free site or tour. Unless of course it is a monster site.
So the end all is again that base static pages are the best bet for SEO concerns, utilizing tables or no tables make very little difference.
SO why is Tableless SO necessary?
Its just best for SEO as the informaion can before being limited to the SE spiders capacity to index the page.
Here is fun a story
I have a little story to tell about the webmaster who used a table with DIVs and the webmaster who didn't. The webmaster who didn't use a table had the higher paying job, a big house, a nice car, and a hot wife because he got all the good jobs for his tableless designs. The webmaster who used tables only to insert his DIVs was considered a second-rate bum and many believed he didn't even know how to position his DIVs. He made very little money. He lived in a rundown apartment. He had no car, and he had no wife.
Then oneday the webmaster who had a classy job and the ever-so-popular tableless designs one day was sitting at his desk smoking a cigar talking on his cell phone about where to meet his buddies for lunch when his boss came running in all excited and out of breath.
"We just got a whole bunch of affiliate partners that want to place ads on our pages so they can make money and we can make commissions! We want an entire column added to the right side of every page!"
Now the site had been around for several years and there were thousands of pages of content to add this column to, and the pages were all written in DIVs. So, the webmaster gasped and dropped his phone as the cigar fell from his mouth and he said, "Well, that is going to take some time, I got to place new DIV tags on every page to add one column of ads and that is no easy task!"
The boss lamented this news, because not only would that mean he would not be making money off of his affiliates until the job was done, but he would have to hire someone else to assist the webmaster with his work until the site was updated. So, trying to save some money and not wanting to take a lot of time to hire someone on a contract, he hired the poor unsuccessful webmaster who always used tables to position his DIVs.
The poor and destitude webmaster reluctantly decided he had no choice but to accept the tedious task, because he needed the money. So, for nearly a month he labored on inserting the appropriate DIVs on each page, copying and pasting many times into each page. When it was all said and done he went to the boss, and he shook his head and said, "You know it took a lot of copying and pasting to insert all them new DIV tags...If the site had been designed with a table I would have only had to copy and paste once into each page to insert the new column. You would have made a lot more money instead of having to hire someone else on, and it would have saved me from a lot of headaches going vertigo looking at code. I hope you never have to add a column again, for your sake and mine."
The boss shook his head, and stopped the man before he could go. "Wait!" he said. "I could have been making tens of thousands of dollars a day all this time if you had done my site with tables?"
The tired and frustrated impoverished webmaster nodded with a grim expression, and the boss threw up his hands and rolled his eyes. Racing out of his office, he motioned for the poor webmaster to follow after him as he charged into the rich webmaster's office. The rich webmaster was polishing his W3C Validation pin on his suit jacket as they entered and he smiled saying, "So, did the columns get added to all the pages?"
"Yes!" shouted the boss, "but you're fired! I got me a new webmaster right here who is going to make sure I never lose money adding a column of ads again!"
Now, the poor webmaster is no longer poor, and the rich webmaster is no longer rich. He lost his big house. He lost his nice car. He lost his hot wife, because she only loved him for his money, and he is in the psyche ward for going nuts and breaking computers at a department store.