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Originally Posted by JaneB
Are you high, I do not live in Miami.
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My bad, I thought I read Miami in your location. Must have looked at another posted.
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Originally Posted by JaneB
Cuba is not poor because of the USA. It is poor because Fidel and his fucked up government.
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. This is where you clearly show you don't have any idea what is really going on.
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Originally Posted by JaneB
Yes it is bullshit to jail people for talking out. So you think it is ok to be arrested for speaking out? It is not stupid of them to speak out. How do you think change happens?
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Nobody should be arrested for speech. However, rules are rules. Every country has rules and if you break them, you get punished. If that is illegal in Cuba, then they had better keep quiet about it. I live in Thailand and it's illegal to speak bad about the royal family. Guess what? Nobody speaks bad about the royal family. There is no such thing as "freedom" as our country wants us to believe. What we have is a world filled with needed rules, even if you or I don't agree with them, and we have to follow those rules if we want to be left alone in peace.
Leave change to those who can actually change things. Spoken word doesn't cut it these days. If the people want Cuba back, take it the way Fidel did. Oh, I forgot, that was already tried and funded by the CIA but was a total failure.
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Originally Posted by JaneB
I love people like you who talk out of their ass. Visitng Cuba is not the same as having to live there.
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Talking out of my ass?
Have you ever even been there?
Of course visiting and living there are not the same. That applies to any country. Though I have not just spent a week there laid up in the Varadero resorts. I've spent an easy year of my life there. Maybe more. How about you? I've talked to a lot of people there, in various cities, and the majority of them did not want to leave Cuba. Sure, they wanted change but they loved their country and didn't want to leave. I can count on 2 hands the Cubans who told me they wanted to leave, and each one of them was for financial reasons, not because they didn't love Cuba.
One thing American Cubans seem to forget, is that the Cubans still on the island are mostly proud Cubans who love their country. While many do welcome change and pray for it, believe it or not there is still a generation of people who believe in The Revolution. American Cubans can not fathom that idea, and that is their right, they are Americans now and have the freedom to voice it.
Look, I'm not saying Cuba is perfect. It's far from it. But Fidel did not run it into the ground, the USA did after the Soviet Union fell. That is even written in the history books should you want to take the time to read about it. Of course exiled Cubans and the American government want to say otherwise, but of course they do, I would not expect them to put the blame on anyone else. Nobody on American soil ever takes accountability for anything. Why start now?
Is the Cuban government corrupt? Of course it is. Every government is.
And you're right, I have
no idea what it means to struggle in Cuba. There is no way I could ever know. And I know this. I'm basing my thoughts on my extensive time spent there talking to the people and the information I have been able to find over the years. However, I do have the advantage of knowing what is coming their way as soon as the embargo and travel ban is lifted. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that, and it's not good.
A Cuba debate can go on forever. You will never agree to my views, and neither me to yours. That's ok, I can agree to disagree. Just remember this thread when the embargo is lifted and the USD bum rushes Cuba and strips it of everything it has. If you have never been there, you can't understand what that charm is, but if you have, then you know exactly what I'm talking about. And it's a damn shame. Cuba is like the last little unspoiled place in earth.