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  • tony299
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    • Aug 2002
    • 57021
    #51
    To the LA question if my sites were generating 1 million dollars a year ,I would be living and working in LA.

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      • latinasojourn
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2003
        • 3191
        #52
        was content created outdoors on public property or not. if so, this is a key element to this case that no one here is mentioning.

        IF content was created outdoors on public property all bets are off on an acquittal.

        i could be wrong, but i seem to remember reading that they were shooting on public land.

        if so, there is no greater way to arouse the ire of the locals.

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          • ed146
            Confirmed User
            • May 2005
            • 283
            #53
            Bump
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              • Quentin
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2002
                • 1280
                #54
                Originally posted by baddog
                ummm, while I might defend to the death your right to to make that decision, shouldn't you be prepared to pay the piper when the time comes?
                Naturally. Not sure where I've implied I wouldn't be willing to do so...?

                It's a purely rhetorical 'answer' on my part to begin with, too. I don't shoot content or otherwise serve as a 'producer' in any jurisdiction, California or otherwise.

                Sorry I didn't get to see more of ya at the Xbiz show, btw baddog... I was only there overnight, and think I didn't manage much more than a 'howdy' when walking past you.

                - Q.
                Q. Boyer

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                  • Pete-KT
                    Workin With The Devil
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 51532
                    #55
                    Good luck with everything Jim, good to see your back online

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                      • baddog
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Apr 2001
                        • 107089
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Quentin
                        Naturally. Not sure where I've implied I wouldn't be willing to do so...?
                        nah, just my thinking out loud that they should have been prepared for this, with a battleplan in place. When I wanted to make a legal statement and violated the law to test it, I went in ready for battle. They almost seem surprised.


                        Sorry I didn't get to see more of ya at the Xbiz show, btw baddog... I was only there overnight, and think I didn't manage much more than a 'howdy' when walking past you.

                        - Q.
                        That's alright. I lost my voice so appreciate the raincheck on the conversation.

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                          • fl_prn_str
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 5736
                            #57
                            Originally posted by tony404
                            Im not on the government's side, pensacola is right on the alabama border. I have friends who have lived there,its a very uptight place. To be a large fish and pretty public in a small town, you are painting a big target on your back. Now I know everyone feels the internet porn creed I can do whatever I want anywhere but the real world is if your in a place that is not adult friendly you are asking for trouble. What we do is very gray, its not black and white. People that do these things , create precedents that the rest of us have to live with. If they were in miami or tampa it would of been a nonevent. Now you are a internet marketer so you dont have worry about places to shoot, florida was good for talent and now if they lose we are all fucked who went to shoot also its starts a precedent for other states to follow.
                            It might also have a reverse ripple effect and end ?porn valley? in California as we know it altogether. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor is no longer sitting on the bench and she was the justice that had denied a stay of the California Supreme Court's judgment. So just as the court can revisit cases such as Roe v. Wade it is possible perhaps that they could do this as well.

                            Originally posted by gleem
                            it's sad how if the po-po comes knocking unless you got millions laying around for a serious defense, your screwed. you'd think one of the other big companies shooting in Florida would step in with a 6 figure defense donation, but they won't since we all think we have our ducks in a row. The thing is, it doesn't matter if you do, you get arrested and have a trial you're easily in a 6 figure legal bill range, almost guarenteed 7 figure legal bill when it's done even if you're relatively innocent.
                            The local mainstream TV media/press did a story on OX Ideas (BangBros) not too long ago by setting up one of their investigative journalists with the man that does the casting for their websites and even took the tape as far as the FHP and asked them if it was legal for them to shoot porn on Florida?s highways. I spoke to him after the incident needless to say he wasn?t ecstatic about the whole ordeal. Even the alternative newspaper (Miami New Times) did an op-ed piece about the ?bus? and how they allegedly take advantage of newbie talent.


                            Originally posted by Stephen
                            I've seen the COHF site. When it's displayed on a large screen in front of the jury, it won't be too hard for the prosecutor to make his point that it was "porn production" - which is illegal in Florida.

                            I can't and won't speak to the other counts, but this one is a slam dunk. I've known Larry since he worked with Dave Wasserman years ago, and he's the best guy to defend this case, but I'm sure he's laid the facts on this count pretty plainly to those involved.

                            As I said, they should have asked him earlier.

                            Everyone shooting in the US but outside California should take a lesson here.
                            Hopefully their legal team will ask for a change of venue?.. Hillsborough or Miami-Dade would be perfect.


                            In regards to your issues with the state and your daughter check out- http://www.parentsinadult.com hopefully you can get some help with that there. If anyone has any banners or if someone has any design skills to do so I would gladly put them up and encourage everyone else to do so to help them out. I am sure this case will be a much discussed topic during Internext.
                            Last edited by fl_prn_str; 07-25-2006, 11:06 PM.

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                              • wdsguy
                                Ryde or Die
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 19568
                                #58
                                how is the site still up right now?

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                                  • Jimatcohf
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2004
                                    • 277
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by fl_prn_str
                                    In regards to your issues with the state and your daughter check out- http://www.parentsinadult.com hopefully you can get some help with that there. If anyone has any banners or if someone has any design skills to do so I would gladly put them up and encourage everyone else to do so to help them out. I am sure this case will be a much discussed topic during Internext.

                                    Thank you so much for that website I never even knew it exisited and thanks for your comments, I will be checking this out. For now thanks to all the positive replies. Ill answer more of your posts tommorow keep the bumps going would love to keep this fresh as long as possible.
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                                      • garce
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Oct 2001
                                        • 7103
                                        #60
                                        Back to the top

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                                          • p1mpdogg
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Nov 2002
                                            • 16714
                                            #61
                                            less competition for me.

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                                              • p1mpdogg
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Nov 2002
                                                • 16714
                                                #62
                                                list all the FL companies here so if the FL po-po read this they can get them too!
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                                                  • dunefield
                                                    www.barely18movies.com
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 10920
                                                    #63
                                                    Free COHF!!!

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                                                      • Mutt
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                        • 34431
                                                        #64
                                                        people in this industry know very little about what legal ground they stand on - as other people in this thread have stated - there is only ONE state where you can produce hardcore pornographic movies with some confidence you won't end up in jail for doing so - that's California - because of a case called the Freeman case back in the early days, the 70's, of the modern porn movie industry decided that unless the state proved that the movie was obscene first the state couldn't charge the producer with prostitution for hiring the actors to fuck in the movie - because the movie had First Amendment rights so the state should not be able to convict somebody for producing a movie which hadn't even been declared illegal. What that case implies is that if a movie is first proved to be obscene then the state besides getting the obscenity charge could also charge the producer with pandering.
                                                        It's a California state case - it sets no precedent for any other state.

                                                        i'm assuming that the lawyers will use the same argument as part of their defence in Florida - problem is that Florida is alot more conservative in 2006 than San Francisco was in the 1970's and those COFH movies are pretty hardcore and a jury or judge in that county could decide they are obscene -
                                                        and though i haven't read the case against Ray Guhn - i have read some stuff that a big part of how they did business were these shoot parties - i have a feeling that more sex went on then that that was shot for content -
                                                        so the prosecution may blur/muddy things with that kind of evidence - trying
                                                        to show a jury that they were hiring girls for sex - some if it for movies some of it just for fun.

                                                        i think this is going to be a really hard case to defend - doesn't seem like much chance they'll walk scott free.

                                                        i have seen or heard the question asked so many times online and offline - what's the difference between a pornstar and a prostitute?
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                                                          • heywood
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 468
                                                            #65
                                                            I'll be donating what I can and linking your sites. If there is anything we can do to help let me know.

                                                            This industry has become a scary place.

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                                                              • s9ann0
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                • 4873
                                                                #66
                                                                I support you of course but I want to know, does this prosecution not have more to do with you having site members gangbangs for shoots than the normal paysite model where models are hired?

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                                                                  • Dirty Dane
                                                                    Sick Fuck
                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 9491
                                                                    #67
                                                                    bump 4 this

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                                                                      • 2HousePlague
                                                                        CURATOR
                                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                                        • 14572
                                                                        #68
                                                                        I posted on another board.




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                                                                        tada!

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                                                                          • DWB
                                                                            Registered User
                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                            • 31779
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Thanks for the detailed update... and a bump for you to keep these at the top where it should be.

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                                                                              • Stumps
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                                                                                • Jul 2006
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                                                                                #70
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                                                                                  • Pete-KT
                                                                                    Workin With The Devil
                                                                                    • Oct 2004
                                                                                    • 51532
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                                                    was content created outdoors on public property or not. if so, this is a key element to this case that no one here is mentioning.

                                                                                    IF content was created outdoors on public property all bets are off on an acquittal.

                                                                                    i could be wrong, but i seem to remember reading that they were shooting on public land.

                                                                                    if so, there is no greater way to arouse the ire of the locals.

                                                                                    Yes they were shooting outside in fields and in Parks if I remember correctly, that was one of the big problems

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                                                                                      • joshuawk
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                                        • 1092
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Is he out on bail or literally in a county jail for this long?
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                                                                                          • Hollywood376
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2005
                                                                                            • 1154
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            bumpitty bump

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                                                                                              • realed
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Aug 2001
                                                                                                • 834
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                bump, i will be donating for sure.....

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                                                                                                  • joshll
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2006
                                                                                                    • 1534
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Glad to be in the UK right now, seems awaful but im doing what i can for you guys.
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                                                                                                      • scoreman
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                                                                        • 1491
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        I was under the impression that a main part of the allegations is that the owners/staff of COHF were hiring the girls to have sex with them first, to "test" the girls out to make sure they were right for the COHF site. If thats the case, then this case will have blurred lines as to whether they are trying to set precedent that all adult content shot in Florida is illegal, or just trying to bust someone who is hiring a girl to have sex with.

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                                                                                                          • NikKay
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Aug 2001
                                                                                                            • 1642
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                            To the LA question if my sites were generating 1 million dollars a year ,I would be living and working in LA.
                                                                                                            $1M in sales in a year, minus expenses... and you're not even middle class living in LA.

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                                                                                                              • KRL
                                                                                                                Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                • 31429
                                                                                                                #78
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                                                                                                                  • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                    • 56220
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                                                                                    i'll send what I can man. Good luck and I hope for us all that you hear "Not Guilty"

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                                                                                                                      • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                        • 122992
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                        Bring back Bill Clinton!

                                                                                                                        yes!!!!!!!!!

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                                                                                                                          • tony299
                                                                                                                            lurker
                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                            • 57021
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by scoreman
                                                                                                                            I was under the impression that a main part of the allegations is that the owners/staff of COHF were hiring the girls to have sex with them first, to "test" the girls out to make sure they were right for the COHF site. If thats the case, then this case will have blurred lines as to whether they are trying to set precedent that all adult content shot in Florida is illegal, or just trying to bust someone who is hiring a girl to have sex with.
                                                                                                                            In a article in the local FL papers it talks about a girl getting paid for a private party. If this is the case then they wont be getting a dime from me.

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                                                                                                                              • Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                • 277
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Good Morning Guys, I want to thank everyone for the awesome show of support made so far in thier posts, to a few of the negative folks out there, Im glad your in california, or canada or whereever, Im glad you feel the need to bash us when this is a landmark case that WILL affect how you do business if we loose. The fact of the matter is this, and make no bones about it this is OUR INDUSTRY on trial, do not let a few sensational bylines in an article sway your judgement or decision on this case, If you dont want to support our fight, thats fine, if it ever happens to you then well im sure your posts will be thrown back in your face, but now is not the time to debate now is the time to stand up and fight and be strong and come together to make our industry stronger and able to withstand the efforts of our legal system. Please lets keep this thread positive you know i cannot address specific issues some of the negative posters are bringing up its just not right to do so with the case not decided but then again they know that I cant respond even tho I want to, but thats ok one day I will when Ray and Myself are free men and im able to hold my daughter again.
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                                                                                                                                  • tony299
                                                                                                                                    lurker
                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 57021
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                    Good Morning Guys, I want to thank everyone for the awesome show of support made so far in thier posts, to a few of the negative folks out there, Im glad your in california, or canada or whereever, Im glad you feel the need to bash us when this is a landmark case that WILL affect how you do business if we loose. The fact of the matter is this, and make no bones about it this is OUR INDUSTRY on trial, do not let a few sensational bylines in an article sway your judgement or decision on this case, If you dont want to support our fight, thats fine, if it ever happens to you then well im sure your posts will be thrown back in your face, but now is not the time to debate now is the time to stand up and fight and be strong and come together to make our industry stronger and able to withstand the efforts of our legal system. Please lets keep this thread positive you know i cannot address specific issues some of the negative posters are bringing up its just not right to do so with the case not decided but then again they know that I cant respond even tho I want to, but thats ok one day I will when Ray and Myself are free men and im able to hold my daughter again.
                                                                                                                                    I wish you all the best and hope it works out but you guys made decision to work in Pensacola and now its the industries problem. Your poor choices will now effect everyone that produces porn in every place besides LA. Once again I highly doubt Im the first person to tell you doing your business in pensacola was a rotten idea.
                                                                                                                                    Last edited by tony286; 07-26-2006, 09:14 AM.

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                                                                                                                                      • Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                        • 277
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        On a positive note, any designers out there want to create a few banners and buttons to help promote the www.rayguhndefensefund.com I have had offers to place them on sites if I get them made, anyone interested not many i would think 5 max. hit me up please
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                                                                                                                                          • Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 277
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Tony, dont u get it thats my point why should we be afraid to work anywhere. When does it become right? Why should your 1st amendment rights be upheld and not mine just because we live in different states or even counties, If we had shot in miami or tampa this wouldnt even be a case so what makes them better than us. This goes back to an old world form of placing people in ghettos if we dont like what a particular group of people do the first way to remove them is force them all into one small area. Is that how you would like it to be Tony force all producers into a few states or counties or even cities, I for one dont want to be forced to move just because a politician doesnt like what i do for a living.
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                                                                                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                                If we had shot in miami or tampa this wouldnt even be a case so what makes them better than us.
                                                                                                                                                I think it is called "community standards."

                                                                                                                                                If you want to be a martyr to prove a point you must be prepared for the consequences.

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                                                                                                                                                  • Expo_Vids
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                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                    • 1162
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    One of the last places on earth I would ever shoot porn would have to be anywhere in north Florida.
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                                                                                                                                                      • latinasojourn
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 3191
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                                        Tony, dont u get it thats my point why should we be afraid to work anywhere. When does it become right? Why should your 1st amendment rights be upheld and not mine just because we live in different states or even counties, If we had shot in miami or tampa this wouldnt even be a case so what makes them better than us. This goes back to an old world form of placing people in ghettos if we dont like what a particular group of people do the first way to remove them is force them all into one small area. Is that how you would like it to be Tony force all producers into a few states or counties or even cities, I for one dont want to be forced to move just because a politician doesnt like what i do for a living.

                                                                                                                                                        i don't have a single prob with folks that want to produce consensual adult content.

                                                                                                                                                        but IMO no one has a 1st ammendment "right" to take his production into a public area and risk that this production might be seen by innocent civilians.

                                                                                                                                                        people talk about protecting the sensibilities of children.

                                                                                                                                                        people go to public areas with their children. i am a father.

                                                                                                                                                        i really don't want my children hiking on public land and coming across a sex production.

                                                                                                                                                        and that is not a "negative" comment. that is a practical comment.

                                                                                                                                                        folks should understand that there will be problems if they foist their stuff on the folks that don't want it.

                                                                                                                                                        this ain't a 1st ammendment issue. it is a BUSINESS issue.

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                                                                                                                                                          • MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                            I am Amazing Content!
                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                            • 39866
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                                            Tony, dont u get it thats my point why should we be afraid to work anywhere. When does it become right? Why should your 1st amendment rights be upheld and not mine just because we live in different states or even counties, If we had shot in miami or tampa this wouldnt even be a case so what makes them better than us. This goes back to an old world form of placing people in ghettos if we dont like what a particular group of people do the first way to remove them is force them all into one small area. Is that how you would like it to be Tony force all producers into a few states or counties or even cities, I for one dont want to be forced to move just because a politician doesnt like what i do for a living.

                                                                                                                                                            i think you are absolutely right. I just visited a porn company with more than 60 employees in a very small village with 120 citizens. very catholic region. i'm sure not all the people who live there like what they are doing - but here in Europe we have one law that rules the whole country and no state can decide to have different laws, at least not in such significant areas.

                                                                                                                                                            i also think that this "community standard" thing is pure bullshit. there are laws - or not. you cannot decide what's right or wrong just because a group of people gather together and decide to make their own laws. what happens if a bunch of pedophiles moves to own place and decides that raping kids is a "community standard" for them? would it be legal then?

                                                                                                                                                            same goes for shooting porn - legal in LA, illegal in the rest of the country? what a bullshit. you either have a constitution that gives you certain rights - or not. but not by the physical place you live in the same country.
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                                                                                                                                                              • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                lurker
                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                I think it is called "community standards."

                                                                                                                                                                If you want to be a martyr to prove a point you must be prepared for the consequences.
                                                                                                                                                                Amen Bro

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                                                                                                                                                                  • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                    lurker
                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    In the words of my lawyer ,"They weren't arrested for producing porn,they were arrested for pissing off the locals" and my lawyer is based in FL. So please dont start, like your fighting for my rights because you weren't.
                                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by tony286; 07-26-2006, 10:02 AM.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                                        i think you are absolutely right. I just visited a porn company with more than 60 employees in a very small village with 120 citizens. very catholic region. i'm sure not all the people who live there like what they are doing - but here in Europe we have one law that rules the whole country and no state can decide to have different laws, at least not in such significant areas.

                                                                                                                                                                        i also think that this "community standard" thing is pure bullshit. there are laws - or not. you cannot decide what's right or wrong just because a group of people gather together and decide to make their own laws. what happens if a bunch of pedophiles moves to own place and decides that raping kids is a "community standard" for them? would it be legal then?

                                                                                                                                                                        same goes for shooting porn - legal in LA, illegal in the rest of the country? what a bullshit. you either have a constitution that gives you certain rights - or not. but not by the physical place you live in the same country.
                                                                                                                                                                        But thats the real world the way it is and its not going to change. Why do people who work in adult on the web have such a hard time with that. Its not fair is not a defense.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • BVF
                                                                                                                                                                            Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 13975
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                                                            If we had shot in miami or tampa this wouldnt even be a case so what makes them better than us.
                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not sure if Shooting vanilla porn in south florida compares with bukakke parties in public parks in north florida.


                                                                                                                                                                            And my own comment is an example of what happens if somebody in this industry goes down...People sling comments from the peanut gallery and do absolutely nothing..

                                                                                                                                                                            Which is why I left Ohio..the "liberal" part of Ohio...but OHIO..

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jimatcohf
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Tony when all the facts in this case come out I hope you will be the first to offer your apology, your atty is WRONG, You do not know the facts and you know i can offer no defense of your statements because of the ongoing case. What i dont understand is why are you so negative on this issue, are you based in florida, are you afraid you will loose your rights to work in a legitimate business in this state. If thats the case then why arent you supporting the fight, why attack it if we loose then dont you loose. Dude im biting my tounge so hard over here to respond to some of these posts im bleeding, but they just dont know the facts of the case and are doing the same thing the papers were making assumptions of fact based on the limited knowledge they have.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • MaDalton
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                                    But thats the real world the way it is and its not going to change. Why do people who work in adult on the web have such a hard time with that. Its not fair is not a defense.
                                                                                                                                                                                    my main problem with this is, that the same people who claim how great the USA are and how backwards Europe is, yet defend this absurd scenario. once again: it can happen over here that people don't like you for what you are doing - but if you don't break the law you are protected in any place of the country the same way.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • tony299
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Jimatcohf
                                                                                                                                                                                        Tony when all the facts in this case come out I hope you will be the first to offer your apology, your atty is WRONG, You do not know the facts and you know i can offer no defense of your statements because of the ongoing case. What i dont understand is why are you so negative on this issue, are you based in florida, are you afraid you will loose your rights to work in a legitimate business in this state. If thats the case then why arent you supporting the fight, why attack it if we loose then dont you loose. Dude im biting my tounge so hard over here to respond to some of these posts im bleeding, but they just dont know the facts of the case and are doing the same thing the papers were making assumptions of fact based on the limited knowledge they have.
                                                                                                                                                                                        This is my problem, I go to fl to shoot now that can be in jeopardy. You guys decided to operate in a place that doesn't like porn and now its everyones problem. You werent fighting for my freedoms. There also things I know about this, that Im not talking about. So your not the only one biting his tongue. I will not post about this anymore, I made my feelings known .I wish you the best of luck ,I personally wouldn't of hired Larry he hasn't been exactly hitting home runs lately but thats me.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by tony286; 07-26-2006, 10:15 AM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • tony299
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                                                            my main problem with this is, that the same people who claim how great the USA are and how backwards Europe is, yet defend this absurd scenario. once again: it can happen over here that people don't like you for what you are doing - but if you don't break the law you are protected in any place of the country the same way.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Europe is much more open minded and progressive than the us is

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                                                                i think you are absolutely right. I just visited a porn company with more than 60 employees in a very small village with 120 citizens. very catholic region. i'm sure not all the people who live there like what they are doing - but here in Europe we have one law that rules the whole country and no state can decide to have different laws, at least not in such significant areas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                i also think that this "community standard" thing is pure bullshit. there are laws - or not. you cannot decide what's right or wrong just because a group of people gather together and decide to make their own laws. what happens if a bunch of pedophiles moves to own place and decides that raping kids is a "community standard" for them? would it be legal then?

                                                                                                                                                                                                same goes for shooting porn - legal in LA, illegal in the rest of the country? what a bullshit. you either have a constitution that gives you certain rights - or not. but not by the physical place you live in the same country.

                                                                                                                                                                                                with all due respect, I will take our laws over yours any day of the week

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                                                                    but if you don't break the law you are protected in any place of the country the same way.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    And if it is decided they have not broken the law they will be afforded the same protection. I do believe that is the question at this point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Rinaldo
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 5086
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Stephen
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm surprised that Larry didn't explain this to you beforehand: adult content production is only explicitly legal in California. It's illegal under prostitution and pandering laws in EVERY other state.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sure, a ton of porn comes from Florida and elsewhere ? and the fact that it hasn't before now been pursued isn't because it's not illegal, it's because the state didn't want to lose the case and create another legal "porn valley" ? something about your case must have made them feel it was worth the chance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not being unsympathetic, but I am really surprised it took this long...
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hey Jim, I'm not by any means in one of wealthier people on GFY but I will contribute a percentage of my next paycheck. The entire COHF crew were friends of mine and it hurts to know they're going through this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        To respond to you Stephen
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm aware of only one time that I witnessed them shooting in "public" at china white, prob was that although it was a private mezzanine party, people snuck in and saw the show. While they were all supposed to be 18 to get in (men 21) it posses the same problem as a guy picking up a chick who's in a club, you're still responsible if you fuck her and she's under age even if she shows you a fake ID. Imagine what they could throw at them for having shot a gang bang/ orgy in a club and 5 underage kids snuck in with fake IDs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I agree laws are stupid and I beleive this is one situation where our laws are failing us. I can't count how many films I've seen shot outdoors on vivid movies and playboy and this is the first case I've heard of where they're going after someone for doing so.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Didn't they also arrest "captain Stabbin" for the same shit, or was that just a rumor?
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