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Originally Posted by tony404
I like Robbie alot and I can say from meeting him he is a good guy and straight forward. The time I have spent with him, I got a vibe if I made a deal with him his word would be his bond without question. I also think Robbie is in awe of money and doesnt think of the long term effects of fucking a surfer in the ass with a shitload of cross sales.Lets not even talk about how unbelievably stupid from a business stand point or any stand point for that matter it is to bang a surfer up the ass when few willing to pull a credit card in these hard times Hitting some credit card ten times isnt business its fraud. The everyone mind your own business crowd really live in a illusion that visa will just let this go the way its going and be fine with it or don't take the time to think maybe the government decides to crack down on this that pornographers are also thieves. Industries that last long think about the long term effects. As we can see toyota doesnt have to beg for dollars.
Robbie, Visa says fuck you to us im fucked and I dont think you can make that kind of money playing guitar.
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I agree. I've never had a problem with Robbie and think he comes across like an honest businessman. He has a nice site that looks to really cater toward its members and probably retains real well. I think he takes things too personally though. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are trolling. It doesn't mean they are broke.
I also don't like the belief that if someone isn't going to shows, posting details of their life, and becoming a public figure that they don't work in the industry. The unfortunate truth is that this industry doesn't go over well with the public. There are many people who make a distinct line between personal and business in this world for good reasons. It would break our hearts to have our kid not able to play with others because "Daddy works in porn", or a wife who gets dirty looks at the supermarket because someone found pictures of her husband partying with pornstars. I personally don't care what someone says about me, but it would be devastating if my actions caused others pain.
But back on topic. I think the word cross-sales shouldn't even appear in these threads. We aren't talking about cross sales. This was a customer signing up at a site and having the credit card passed around from one person to another without anyone knowing. It is no different than those carders who pass around cards in underground forums. This is credit card fraud. This isn't "business". This isn't even really about porn either, porn is just the method being used to obtain the credit card.
So I look at it as a crime. I see it as no different than someone snagging a purse from someone. If I saw that happen, I would speak up. I wouldn't sit back and say "well that's just his business". If people disagree, fine, but I don't see why these discussions have to head into a downward cycle of name calling and displays of loyalty.