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Old 01-10-2009, 11:22 AM  
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Originally Posted by Libertine View Post

As for socialized medicine not providing top notch care to everyone in all situations - over here, it provides top notch care to virtually everyone in virtually all situations
absolute BULLSHIT

healthcare in all socialized medicine countries is RATIONED, some people just don't know it. three people died in a middle class suburb of Toronto in the waiting room recently, strokes and heart attacks, with chances to survive BUT they received NO TREATMENT - the hospital was incapable of providing treatment at the time. that story is repeated over and over. Doctors know it - they don't want to be alarming their patients though - so when a newly diagnosed cancer patient is told it will be 6 weeks to wait for surgery or some other type of treatment they don't tell the patient it could affect their outcome. people die on waiting lists.

you can't offer top notch medical treatment to 33 million people for 'free' - you need to go through a medical crisis to see the major flaws in the system - system works great for women having babies, broken bones, and the rest of the garden variety of ailments people get - it's when you need the best medicine can give you or a loved one that you see things aren't right. it's like playing a roulette wheel - some people get great state of the art medical care, things align right for them, and their location has a big deal to do with it.

socialized healthcare works for the working poor, the unemployed, people with pre-existing conditions, young people - but if you're able to spend 3-4K on medical insurance a year you're going to get better medical care in the US system.
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