Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I don't care about them so long as they are disclosed.

I went to that seminar not to learn about them, I went to watch what I thought would be a heated debate. I was seriously shocked when the room was silent. Of ALL the seminars, that one had the least amount of input from the audience.

I agree with you 100% that they are bandwagon jumpers. That is my whole point and I think it has caused a lot of unneeded problems.