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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
OK not your site and you don't control it. You just promote it on GFY for others to send traffic to so you can earn money. And this absolves you from responsibility. Fine we all understand.
So you are an expert who will promote a site that has it so wrong. We all get it, thank you for pointing this out.
Now as an expert if you have any ideas how to compete with Tubes we can all listen to them. Or do you not have any ideas and just flaming?
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Again you never explained yourself and just tried to divert to yet another thing to bitch about and finger point at.
A quick btw, I do not earn from any referrals that join up to the site either. Then again you could pick any site posted on GFY and they would meet the same issues in some way. Especially to your terms. You are still just making guesses in the dark so you may as well stop going down that road. Wish you were as persistent in explaining the first part of my response though - have asked several times now without a proper answer from you.
How do I compete with tubes? Well the simple answer is I do not.
Legit tubes are not my competition and they are just affiliate traffic generators. Illegal tubes on the other hand are not competition.
As I previously stated, if they actually paid for all of their content I would not even give a rats ass about them aside from thinking the business model is short sided and teaching customers free is acceptable is a bad idea.
If someone is stealing what you produce and giving it away then it really does not matter how well you produce it, if it meets customer demands, or anything else. Given the choice between free and cost money, majority will pick free. So that leaves me with only a few possible ways to deal with it.
1. Lock up everything inside of the site, keep the honest honest and make it a little harder for the thieves. Downside is of course lower scores on review sites as they see it as a bad thing. Then of course the potential for a lot of member complaints.
2. Spend a few hours each week searching out my material and sending off DMCA letters to the tube sites. This does work, it eats up time and resources which of course costs money. The results are very temporary as well, yet in todays market mandatory to do.
3. Spend a little more time and some money on postage and envelopes each week. Keep writing just about everyone I can think of in government about needed changes to the DMCA laws. However it does suck to keep writing the same damn people week in and out, however no plans on stopping.
Now unlike some I am less concerned with tubes than torrent sites. They present a different set of issues and the DMCA process is a whole fucking lot harder, not to mention they are more apt to not comply. They are also the source for many tubes in the first place. Often the best you can do is have their listings killed in the engines, unless your inclined to spend some time seeding bad files to annoy them.
On another topic that you keep mixing in, the value of the customer and keeping them as such. I am always on the look out for more than I can offer them that they want. As I previously stated I spend a lot on customer retention, well more than I do on acquiring new ones. I never thought of them as numbers and have always approached it from filling their needs and wants first. When given the choice they always speak pretty damn loud and clear, aside from the occasional tech request such as a desired format - the number one request is always more content more often. Many have even said they would pay more per month to have it.
My big issue is I am micro niched. Which also highly limits what else I can offer them that they want. Trust me I have asked numerous times. They do not want other peoples content. They do not want content outside of the niche. They do not even want live cams unless of course it is for the niche in question. Nadda to dating as well. That does not mean there is not stuff that I can offer, just that it is limited.
However again I will state, retention for me is not a problem. That is an area that is doing well and has done well. Issue for me is that my own material is out there being given away by others without my permission and for which I am not being compensated. This is effecting those who would of normally been curious about the material whom typically would of became a member. Now more of them that are curious know that they can find a full site rip in a few clicks. After that there really is not much in it for them to think about joining. Whats worse is that some may actually think that the site rip is what it is. They may think that is as good as the quality gets. That what is in the rip is all the site has to offer. Then hell a lot of people actually think that it is released by us and is doing no harm.
I have however never focused on the large percentage of non buyers. You are right about focusing on the smaller percentage of actual buyers. Thing is the smaller percentage of what once were the buyer pool is shrinking.
I will not state the following as fact. It however is pretty strong at least in my arena. The majority of buyers are older than ever before on average. Of these most have been buying porn for many years. They are also the most loyal buyers. However the number of buyers 18-28 or so are shrinking. The younger the age the less buyers there are. Also after polling the members I have found that more often than not the younger someone is the more likely this was their 1st or 2nd porn purchase. Been following this trend now for sometime.
Not exactly rocket science to figure out something is influencing people in certain age brackets. Especially when the more educated and long time porn buyers who have been taken by other sites in the past are your best customers. What the data seems to be showing is that with each younger age bracket the idea of paying for something is getting larger and larger.