Today I became a software engineer!

**MetaMan** · 01-20-2009, 11:27 AM

self educated self taught self made,

how does it feel wasting 4 years of your life while you end up working for the man knowing deep inside your heart you fell into the "mold" of society. now sit back boy, pay your taxes and dont ask any questions!

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

self educated self taught self made,

how does it feel wasting 4 years of your life while you end up working for the man knowing deep inside your heart you fell into the "mold" of society. now sit back boy, pay your taxes and dont ask any questions!

Hehe it feels better than you could ever imagine

How did you become so bitter, did you once enjoy life as well?

The last 4 years of my life has been the greatest so far and I am looking forward to going towards new adventures with my own company

**Alky** · 01-20-2009, 11:30 AM

your degree says "software engineer"?

congrats

**leek** · 01-20-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Alky

your degree says "software engineer"?

congrats

hahahahah

**Voodoo** · 01-20-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by polle54

Hehe it feels better than you could ever imagine

How did you become so bitter, did you once enjoy life as well?

The last 4 years of my life has been the greatest so far and I am looking forward to going towards new adventures with my own company

Live it up! In 4 years the world is going to end. 2c

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Alky

your degree says "software engineer"?

congrats

"Engineer in Information & Communication Technology" directly translated.

In Danish: "Ingeniør i Information og Kommunikationsteknologi"

But it is software engineering

**Sosa** · 01-20-2009, 11:34 AM

Congrats

now code me an app

**brand0n** · 01-20-2009, 11:35 AM

can u code iphone aPPS?

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by brand0n

can u code iphone aPPS?

I am better with WIN CE and WIN Mobile I must admit, I have only glanced at the Iphone apps.

**blazin** · 01-20-2009, 11:42 AM

Congrats.... have the same degree from some time ago... I imagine it's moved on somewhat and you've embraced the latest technologies and methodologies since I did it though

It does help in the real world believe me.

**doridori** · 01-20-2009, 11:43 AM

bachelor degree in economics.

**MetaMan** · 01-20-2009, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by blazin

Congrats.... have the same degree from some time ago... I imagine it's moved on somewhat and you've embraced the latest technologies and methodologies since I did it though

It does help in the real world believe me.

not during a recession when business' are more likely to hire based on expierience and take less risks.

enjoy the next 4-5 years!

congrats!

**WebairGerard** · 01-20-2009, 11:44 AM

congratulations on earning your degree

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Sosa

Congrats

now code me an app

thanks and here you go:
C#

Code:

public class MetaMan
{
 public ValueOfAction OpenMouth()
 {
    return ValueOfAction.None;
 }

 public List<ValueOfAction> CloseMouth()
 {
    List<ValueOfAction> returnlist = new List<ValueOfAction>();
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.Relief);
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.BetterWorld);

    return returnlist;
 }
}

public Enum ValueOfAction
{
   None,
   Relief,
   BetterWorld
}

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by WebairGerard

congratulations on earning your degree

Thanks and thanks for the last couple of years of great server hosting

**Kram** · 01-20-2009, 11:51 AM

Tillykke ...

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Kram

Tillykke ...

Takker, du har en CSS fejl på din dailyjerk.com når den ses i Google Chrome.
Din topliste smutter op ved siden af første række thumbs.

Ellers fin side synes jeg

**AmigoPorn** · 01-20-2009, 11:55 AM

Congratulations man

**fris** · 01-20-2009, 11:58 AM

most people i know that are either senior software engineers, network admins, and 90% of them are high school dropouts, and yet they work for fortune 500 companies.

**tenderobject** · 01-20-2009, 12:02 PM

hey congrats man!

**margarita** · 01-20-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by polle54

thanks and here you go:
C#

Code:

public class MetaMan
{
 public ValueOfAction OpenMouth()
 {
    return ValueOfAction.None;
 }

 public List<ValueOfAction> CloseMouth()
 {
    List<ValueOfAction> returnlist = new List<ValueOfAction>();
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.Relief);
    returnlist.Add(ValueOfAction.BetterWorld);

    return returnlist;
 }
}

public Enum ValueOfAction
{
   None,
   Relief,
   BetterWorld
}

You could stay in school another 1 or 2 years to get to C++ level

**John-ACWM** · 01-20-2009, 12:04 PM

Pretty much self-everything.
Congrats on your achievement!

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by MetaMan

not during a recession when business' are more likely to hire based on expierience and take less risks.

enjoy the next 4-5 years!

congrats!

Hehe only two out of the whole class graduating this month is without a job and one of them is going traveling.
I think everyone in Denmark with a IT engineering degree can get a job. There's still around 50k free IT related jobs in Denmark.

In Canada it might be a whole different story, can't say anything about that.

Originally posted by fris

most people i know that are either senior software engineers, network admins, and 90% of them are high school dropouts, and yet they work for fortune 500 companies.

I see the same tendency for network admins but not for software engineers in Denmark. I think it's under 1% in the big companies in Denmark (Systematic, Terma, National Bank, Saxo Bank, Mærsk, Vestas Wind Systems) that doesn't have a 5 year plus education.
Google and Sun is another story, I am aware of that, but that's like hitting the jackpot. They hire extremely talented people, regardless of education, and can't say I am Sun nor Google potential.

Originally posted by margarita

You could stay in school another 1 or 2 years to get to C++ level

Hehe we started out learning C and C++ but I must admit I like managed code as C# and VB.NET better

I used C and C++ a lot of some embedded Robot control projects.

**Machete_** · 01-20-2009, 01:19 PM

Grats man!!! nice to have it on paper

**smack** · 01-20-2009, 01:49 PM

formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)

**Machete_** · 01-20-2009, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by smack

formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)

when negotiating a salary or job, formal education is king

**polle54** · 01-20-2009, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by smack

formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)

There's multiple ways to achieve most things

If you have some strong references, your way can be faster depending on your ability to sell yourself. Otherwise you are just a littlebit fucked if you want a job. Without strong references or an education -> no callback -> no chance to present yourself and your skills. Even if you do get a callback you will have a hard time convincing them you are the man for the job since you have nothing to show.

Obviously I like my way better, otherwise I would have chosen differently.

**jay23** · 01-20-2009, 02:04 PM

I have been a software engineer for all most 20 years (Well my degree says B.Sc, Comp.Sci) and its the worst market carrier path to get into if you are in US. Just read the job board www.dice.com.

I am doing well because I moved into running my own software company and hope you do that at some point in your carrier.

**smack** · 01-20-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

when negotiating a salary or job, formal education is king

no, actually it's not.

Originally posted by polle54

There's multiple ways to achieve most things

If you have some strong references, your way can be faster depending on your ability to sell yourself. Otherwise you are just a littlebit fucked if you want a job. Without strong references or an education -> no callback -> no chance to present yourself and your skills. Even if you do get a callback you will have a hard time convincing them you are the man for the job since you have nothing to show.

Obviously I like my way better, otherwise I would have chosen differently.

that's why you need to write a good resume, know how to sell yourself, and bring examples of your source code.

**Chr0makey** · 01-20-2009, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by MetaMan

not during a recession when business' are more likely to hire based on expierience and take less risks.

enjoy the next 4-5 years!

congrats!

I can assure you he has plenty of experience and some very good references. He would have done just fine without the degree, but he will also do much better with it.

Congrats polle54

**woj** · 01-20-2009, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by smack

formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)

software engineer!=programmer

in 90% of the jobs software engineers just happen to perform jobs of a programmer...
but it's like comparing a construction worker and a civil engineer, they both work kinda in the same field, but they are nowhere close to the same...

**Machete_** · 01-20-2009, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by smack

no, actually it's not.

here in Denmark it is..

**BVF** · 01-20-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by woj

software engineer!=programmer

in 90% of the jobs software engineers just happen to perform jobs of a programmer...
but it's like comparing a construction worker and a civil engineer, they both work kinda in the same field, but they are nowhere close to the same...

You're correct in general...I was getting a masters in Process oriented software engineering and what we did was formulate the requirements for the software and develop the logic and "architecture" of the program. We weren't even trained in programming except how to know how to read it....

**smack** · 01-20-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by woj

software engineer!=programmer

in 90% of the jobs software engineers just happen to perform jobs of a programmer...
but it's like comparing a construction worker and a civil engineer, they both work kinda in the same field, but they are nowhere close to the same...

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work. The tasks performed by these workers evolve quickly, reflecting new areas of specialization or changes in technology, as well as the preferences and practices of employers.

Software engineers can be involved in the design and development of many types of software, including computer games, word processing and business applications, operating systems and network distribution, and compilers, which convert programs to machine language for execution on a computer.

Computer software engineers begin by analyzing users? needs, and then design, test, and develop software to meet those needs. During this process they create the detailed sets of instructions, called algorithms, that tell the computer what to do. They also may be responsible for converting these instructions into a computer language, a process called programming or coding, but this usually is the responsibility of computer programmers. (A separate section on computer programmers appears elsewhere in the Handbook.) Computer software engineers must be experts in operating systems and middleware to ensure that the underlying systems will work properly."

that sounds like a programmer to me. that's what i have done for years and i have always just called it coding.

**BVF** · 01-20-2009, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by smack

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work. The tasks performed by these workers evolve quickly, reflecting new areas of specialization or changes in technology, as well as the preferences and practices of employers.

Software engineers can be involved in the design and development of many types of software, including computer games, word processing and business applications, operating systems and network distribution, and compilers, which convert programs to machine language for execution on a computer.

Computer software engineers begin by analyzing users? needs, and then design, test, and develop software to meet those needs. During this process they create the detailed sets of instructions, called algorithms, that tell the computer what to do. They also may be responsible for converting these instructions into a computer language, a process called programming or coding, but this usually is the responsibility of computer programmers. (A separate section on computer programmers appears elsewhere in the Handbook.) Computer software engineers must be experts in operating systems and middleware to ensure that the underlying systems will work properly."

that sounds like a programmer to me. that's what i have done for years and i have always just called it coding.

A programmer to a TRUE Software Engineer is like a Carpenter to an Architect....

**Spunky** · 01-20-2009, 03:18 PM

Congrats on earning your degree

**smack** · 01-20-2009, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by BVF

A programmer to a TRUE Software Engineer is like a Carpenter to an Architect....

well i guess i should have paid for that schooling so i knew the technical terms.

in my opinion if you call yourself a programmer and aren't involved in the entire development life cycle of the software you're useless. fucking sharepoint can generate code.

conversely, if you're a software engineer and you can't program, i would also consider you useless.

i guess i just always assumed since working for myself that other other places operated the same way i do. there is a problem and software needs designed, so you sit down and figure out the scope of the project then make it happen and test it.

**woj** · 01-20-2009, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by smack

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work. The tasks performed by these workers evolve quickly, reflecting new areas of specialization or changes in technology, as well as the preferences and practices of employers.

Software engineers can be involved in the design and development of many types of software, including computer games, word processing and business applications, operating systems and network distribution, and compilers, which convert programs to machine language for execution on a computer.

Computer software engineers begin by analyzing users’ needs, and then design, test, and develop software to meet those needs. During this process they create the detailed sets of instructions, called algorithms, that tell the computer what to do. They also may be responsible for converting these instructions into a computer language, a process called programming or coding, but this usually is the responsibility of computer programmers. (A separate section on computer programmers appears elsewhere in the Handbook.) Computer software engineers must be experts in operating systems and middleware to ensure that the underlying systems will work properly."

that sounds like a programmer to me. that's what i have done for years and i have always just called it coding.

If programmer is the same as software engineer, why is there a separate section for it?
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm

"Computer programmers write, test, and maintain the detailed instructions, called programs, that computers follow to perform their functions."
vs
"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work"

Salary:
"Median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer programmers were $65,510 in May 2006"
vs
"In May 2006, median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer systems software engineers were $85,370."

**BVF** · 01-20-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by woj

If programmer is the same as software engineer, why is there a separate section for it?
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm

"Computer programmers write, test, and maintain the detailed instructions, called programs, that computers follow to perform their functions."
vs
"Computer software engineers apply the principles of computer science and mathematical analysis to the design, development, testing, and evaluation of the software and systems that make computers work"

Salary:
"Median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer programmers were $65,510 in May 2006"
vs
"In May 2006, median annual earnings of wage-and-salary computer systems software engineers were $85,370."

I already tried to tell him.

**smack** · 01-20-2009, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by BVF

I already tried to tell him.

yeah and i already replied with my explanation.

**Helix** · 01-20-2009, 03:55 PM

Congrats on your degree. Job well done.

**psili** · 01-20-2009, 04:04 PM

Congrats.

Ignore the negative responses and good luck in your endeavors.

This is GFY, after all, so you have to expect some retarded arguments around your accomplishment. This being GFY, "accomplishment" is pretty much determined by post count. So, well... yea. I'd take college and its costs over post count any day.

**BVF** · 01-20-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by smack

yeah and i already replied with my explanation.

yeah but it was a stupid explanation based on absolutely no knowledge on your part and some ideas that you have in your head about how something should be run, when you've never run it or learned about running it..

If someone said that if a carpenter can't design a house, he's useless, he'd be laughed outta here...It's the same kind of bullshit you're saying now.

**RevShare it!** · 01-20-2009, 07:46 PM

Congrats !

JD · 01-20-2009, 08:05 PM

congrats man fuck the haters

**Slappin Fish** · 01-20-2009, 08:19 PM

Congrats, always a nice feeling to achieve something you worked hard for, whatever the field

**smack** · 01-20-2009, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by BVF

yeah but it was a stupid explanation based on absolutely no knowledge on your part and some ideas that you have in your head about how something should be run, when you've never run it or learned about running it..

If someone said that if a carpenter can't design a house, he's useless, he'd be laughed outta here...It's the same kind of bullshit you're saying now.

no, that's like saying that if a carpenter couldn't lay the joists, rafters, supports for the floors, cut out the spaces for electrical wiring in the studs, and be able to point and tell me where the insulation and the shingles go he would be useless.

your analogy is erroneous.

**psili** · 01-20-2009, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by smack

formal education is over rated.

i don't have a college degree and i can code circles around 99.9% of people who do ;)

Albeit I'm referencing your comment WAY after the thread's taken off, and you've posted many times already - why did you post this? Arrogance is cool and all, but really. Why?

**ExLust** · 01-20-2009, 09:04 PM

Congrats on your educational achievement.

Today I became a software engineer!

Today I became a software engineer!

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