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I'm going to try my best to keep my answer short 
Starting with an example: A hosted gallery or gallery, the actual ratio of traffic to the gallery vs. sales it produced, was.. about as bad as it gets. Yeah, some galleries did rock, but the majority sucked balls. Ratios like 1:50k, 100k. I'm not talking clicks, that's about filtering, but rather raw traffic to the gallery vs. sales the gallery would produce over the years. |
A single gallery usually contained about 16 pictures and 4 minutes of porn. A scene on a typical tube site is 20+ minutes of uninterrupted video.
So you can't really compare the two. While the number of hits might be the same, the amount of content supplied and bandwidth used up is not.
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The point is, the amount of free loading surfers looking/downloading at free porn, and not actually buying was off the chart bad. It's not any better or worse today, but several things have changed.
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It is worse, actually. I can get free access for virtually any site I want (yay for working in porn), yet when I actually want to look at some porn I go to a tube site.
Guys I know used to try to coax me into giving them passes for porn sites when I said I worked in porn, but these days that virtually never happens anymore. Instead, they send me links to rapidshare files and tube videos.
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With search engines, we used to be all over them, now we aren't. The SE's changed, popularity took over. All of us here, being less popular the the sites you listed :/
But even the worst galleries, and before the search engines, and how our Industry works in general... It created massive traffic flow.
Tubes, btw.. It's not the Free Porn.. could it be, it's clean? Unlike tgp/mgp networks? Or that you don't get cross billed 20 ways, upsold, or maybe you get to actually see what you are getting, so no tricks? I see tubes in a totally different light, it's not the free.. It's far better!
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The big tube sites offer more content than most paysites do. Of course that's "better" than tgp/mgp networks... it's essentially the content of a huge members area, but for free.
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And that's why THEY WILL BUY! Tubes aren't running on thin profits.. They are kicking our ass because they can market to the people and we can't. That's our real problem is, on a global scale we can't direct market to the mass majority anymore, and the way tubes/piracy works, most traffic flow has stopped. It doesn't go from viewing a video to clicking a link, to more porn, to your site. It just stops at the Tube/torrent/forum, ect. They guy is done, or looks for more. No marketing is done to the global population, like tgp's did.
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They will buy what? Certainly not memberships to porn sites, in most cases.
Why do you think it is that dating and cam sponsors feature so prominently on most tubes?
They are kicking your asses because by offering what used to cost money for free, they manage to gain a very large portion of the market. Even if a single surfer is worth less to them, numbers make up for that.
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Now, add on the loss of mass Webmasters across the Industry, like 75% less. We have far less global penetration than we did. We don't have emails and spam, we don't have paysites sharing exits like they once did, and we don't have traffic flow from the largest sources of free porn traffic on the Internet.
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What you're saying here is exactly what I'm saying: the tubes are taking market share.
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We don't have 10,000's of more keyword domains online, trading traffic to tgps, that trade to others, that filter to paysites, that traded to other sites, that would dump to inhouse free sites, and the chain would cycle over and over and over.. marketing people, by the hundreds of millions because no mater where they turned on the Internet, they got porn!
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Consolidation and centralization. Rather than a scattered network, porn traffic is becoming focused in a few spaces. A large part of that are the barriers to entry of tubes.
But look at it historically:
free sites -> picture galleries -> video galleries -> tube sites
It's been a constant trend of more free content with less advertising, and a constant trend of exchanging margins for market share.
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Look at it today.. We aren't all over social networks, we aren't in chatrooms anymore, it's penis pills and people trying to steal your info in emails, the Internet changed..
We lost our global traffic penetration and now what we do have left is bottle necked into a small network of sites that don't filter it out.
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Even with those things, we'd still be seeing declining margins. The easier it is to get something free, the harder it becomes to sell functionally similar things - especially when you can't offer a large amount of added functionality.
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Glad I kept that short.... just think what long would have been like |