Originally Posted by sitefarmer

Well, without designers ..internet will be desert ..
I spend 5 years in art university got bachelor degree, have some 1st awards (one of them was from the fucking president lol), got 2 years in SEO laboratory, 2 years as game designer and fuck adult biz, about 6 years playing as designer here.. I have very bad pain in my ass, back, neck and eyes because looking at those screens 16 hours daily since 1999th ..to do somebodys website designs..

Well I can say that 75% of adult clients are very thankless and yes there are 25% great clients which knows exactly what they looking for .. it seems that you all (ok mostly) are from those 75%..

About chaseing the boards.. we reliable designers have to chaseing as well because cheap "designers" with 6 week cources of photoshop spamming arround as devils.. and get our orders 2-4-6 times cheaper ..