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Oh god... Make it stop...
JonClark (3:14 PM):
Wut up buddy..
JonClark (7:42 PM):
Hey
Alien (8:09 PM):
hgeya man
how ya doin? rough place
JonClark (8:09 PM):
WHat?
JonClark (8:10 PM):
ROugh place..?
Were..?
Alien (8:10 PM):
I dunno you B hailing me whats on yer mind
JonClark (8:10 PM):
Are you really hurting for work..?
Alien (8:10 PM):
Of course, the biz sucks
JonClark (8:10 PM):
I can give you work if you want..
JonClark (8:11 PM):
And you really do not have to worry about getting paid..
Alien (8:11 PM):
If it pays I do it
JonClark (8:11 PM):
That fuck that didn't get paid was really up to something..
His bank was frozen by US gov..
FOr sure per my attorney
And the dude would not go clear his name..
Alien (8:11 PM):
Well what can I do for you
JonClark (8:12 PM):
I was not going to fuck around with sending money off shore...
Alien (8:12 PM):
I jusy want work that pays LOL
JonClark (8:12 PM):
Specually only 50 bucks for a fuck that wouldn't even do what he needed to do to get it
I can start pushing design from XXX
You do the work..
Alien (8:12 PM):
I need to make 2000 to 2500 a month
JonClark (8:12 PM):
I will start tommorrow if you are serious and I can count on you
JonClark (8:13 PM):
I will run some crazy promo to get things started..
but other then that..
Alien (8:13 PM):
Well my only terms are 1/2 up front then half on completion tours take 3-5 days depending on how sticky the client is
JonClark (8:13 PM):
You should be able to make that if we can keep the designs moving..
JonClark (8:14 PM):
The economy is a little bit of a hurdle..
but not too bad..
I will split with you 50/50
I will pay as I get paid..
JonClark (8:15 PM):
Meaning, I will pay you out of the down payment, and the balance..
Right when I recieve them..
Alien (8:15 PM):
I do Epass and wires
JonClark (8:15 PM):
No paypal..?
JonClark (8:16 PM):
Jeezus..
Alien (8:16 PM):
No paypal right now
JonClark (8:16 PM):
We prolly will not get any big orders right away..
Banners... Galls, dumb shit to start...
Alien (8:16 PM):
My wifer got a complaint on Ebay a while back so its being fixed
JonClark (8:19 PM):
So do you want to be serious and do this..?
Alien (8:19 PM):
Sure. I need a minimum of 700-800 per tour. Galleries I do for 60 each banners 10-15
Alien (8:20 PM):
Half page ads 120-200
Galleries I do is only templates I do not put in content to galleries generally if they want that I charge another 25 per gallery
JonClark (8:21 PM):
You are greedy for someone that is broke..
Alien (8:21 PM):
Those are numbers I can work with in this
JonClark (8:21 PM):
This is 2009
You give people what they pay for..
Not try to sell them the best...
I will go sell 50 banners tommorrow for 5 bucks a piece..
JonClark (8:22 PM):
Or fifty gall pages for 10 bucks a piece..
Alien (8:22 PM):
5 bucks a banner?
JonClark (8:22 PM):
Cheap ass work..
Get things moving..
You do realize people are hurting right now..
JonClark (8:23 PM):
Either way...
It is a matter of getting the clients in the door spending a few bucks..
Once they are hooked we raise the prices to the max there budget can afford.. I am good at that..
JonClark (8:24 PM):
I will sell a tour for 500 right now... Not 1500
Jeezus...
Alien (8:24 PM):
Well keep in mind I wont do banners for 5 bucks a piece. Unless they are dirt banners
JonClark (8:24 PM):
No one will pay them prices right now..
People get what they pay for..
But..
You can give them pure garbage
JonClark (8:25 PM):
Look, it boils down to rather you want money...
If you really need some money then you should have no problem..
Alien (8:26 PM):
Well if ya find something fopr me to do hit me up tell me what they are paying and what they expect
JonClark (8:26 PM):
I have to work off for sures..
Alien (8:26 PM):
But keep in kjind I am not going to work for 24 hours for 50 bucks
JonClark (8:27 PM):
I am not going to sell someone something with hopes youwill do it..
You have to be able to take any grunt work I can find us..
Alien (8:27 PM):
If its not worth my time I wont do it bud
Alien (8:28 PM):
I got quality and if they can not pay it I am not interested.
I rather starve
Then produce shit
JonClark (8:28 PM):
So if you have the coice of doing some work for maybe not your normal rate versus sitting around doing nothing...
You choose nothing..?
JonClark (8:29 PM):
I am talking about pushing off of XXX not IAlien..
Alien (8:29 PM):
The prices I put above are reasonable prices
JonClark (8:29 PM):
No one will no you even did it..
Alien (8:29 PM):
Its not over the top of what real designers with good ability charge
JonClark (8:29 PM):
Ok man, never mind then...
JonClark (8:30 PM):
If you are not willing to do what you got to do...
Nothing I can do
Alien (8:31 PM):
Well take note on the above rates ya find anything that works with that ya got a deal
JonClark (8:32 PM):
I am not going to put in any effort..
It is not worth it..
I am willing to sell to people for what there budget can afford..
There is a ton of work out here..
But I am going for all of it or none..
Alien (8:33 PM):
They always say there is a ton of work but when it comes to money they wont pay reasonably man.
JonClark (8:33 PM):
This economy is not one to elephant hunt in..
Alien (8:33 PM):
If they can not show me the money I am not interested bud. People can talk all they want but if the money is not in my wallet I am not playing.
JonClark (8:33 PM):
I used to close 5k a week in design
3 designers
Alien (8:34 PM):
I mean I can find work to if I worked for 20 hours strate for 50 bucks sure. But thats like toiling in a rock field, its pointless.
JonClark (8:34 PM):
I wouldn't have you do 20 hours worth of work for 50 bucks.. lmao
JonClark (8:35 PM):
Hell in 8 hours you can do 15-20 banners..
Alien (8:35 PM):
I did a tour for 500 bucks a couple weeks ago.
The fucking client was happy but a compelte royal pain in the ass and expected Mike Wylde design.
I wont do that shit again.
JonClark (8:35 PM):
Look, I am good at sales and handleing customers..
Alien (8:36 PM):
The fucker got a 1500 dollar design for 500 bucks and I wasted a shit wad of time on it
JonClark (8:36 PM):
All you have to do is the designs..
That is it..
Well if I would have sold it you could have gotten it done in two days..
Alien (8:36 PM):
NO dude... I do not think you understand.
JonClark (8:37 PM):
I do not think you understand
I am trying to hook you up here..
Alien (8:37 PM):
Changing the same fucking photo 10 times and swapping sentences out then moving shit all the fuck around 4 times is lame and for 500 bucks no way. Not doing that shit again.
JonClark (8:37 PM):
People pay for revisions..
JonClark (8:38 PM):
They get one revision when I sell them.. And it is a quicky..
Anything else I charge them..
JonClark (8:39 PM):
10-15 per working hour is what you should make in the begining..
From there, sure we will get the prices up to standard..
But to get things rolling you have to run some promos..
Alien (8:41 PM):
Well all ya goto do is find a project, find the details and get me the price.
JonClark (8:41 PM):
But if you won't do it then I have to go back to client and cancel... lmao
Alien (8:41 PM):
Then we can decide if the project is worth taking on. Just do not run around and settle for anytyhing
JonClark (8:41 PM):
I am not going through that..
I am a money maker, not game player..
Alien (8:41 PM):
NO man just tell ya got the details and the project and we can get ya a price. Put the price down and see what they do.
JonClark (8:42 PM):
I usually close right away
I have a method..
Alien (8:42 PM):
Thats standard business anyways. Ya goto know the scope of work before bidding on it
JonClark (8:42 PM):
If I tell them to hold on, or I will get back to you I will loose the sale..
I am not the designer..
Just pay attention to that line..
JonClark (8:43 PM):
I am not the designer
Alien (8:43 PM):
No ya wont if ya do they werent interested in the first place. Its more professional to make em wait for a price quote
JonClark (8:43 PM):
I have ran two successful design companies..
I know how to sell the hell out of design..
Come on man... I do not tell you how to run photoshop.. lol
Fuck proffessional..
I am a closer..
I get ther money and give them a product..
JonClark (8:44 PM):
I am not here to stroke them..
Alien (8:45 PM):
Well what ever. Get the scope of work evaluate it we price it. FInd out what there rough budget is and seal the deal. its easy
JonClark (8:45 PM):
You are right.. But I do not have time to go over the shit with you
Alien (8:45 PM):
But if they are to cheap it becomes not worth the time bro and thats just how it is these days.
JonClark (8:45 PM):
I know how to figure things out..
Alien (8:46 PM):
Well again. Under sell and I wont do it. Its tyhat simple, get me a good price and fair price and I will.
JonClark (8:47 PM):
OK, I am going to go to bed now...
Alien (8:47 PM):
DOnt whore me for fucking 24 hours of work for 50 bucks
JonClark (8:47 PM):
I see why you are in the shape you are in..
You can't even comprehend what I am telling you..
FUcking christ is there any hope in this god damn industry...
I hate people that waste my time.
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