Originally Posted by vanillaice

Again, put down the Keystone Light and re-read what I said. Just manufacturing them and selling them to law abiding people allows the criminals to get them. This isn't meth where dealers can make the shit in their basement. Between the manufacturer and Mr. Keystone Light, the assault weapons have to pass through way too many hands which increases chances of corruption at every stop.

Or do you have your head in the sand and believe guns are made at some factory, and in a completely secure fashion, delivered to 100% lawful gun dealers who all have no intent to grease their pockets on the side? Ahh, what a world you must live in to believe that.

That's reality for you. Every assault weapon some company makes increases the chances of it ending up in the hands of some thug and eventually pointed at you when he's stealing your wallet (or worse).

But shit, even if the entire process was 100% secure, I still don't think retard no-brain Americans should have such power in their house. I mean where do you draw the line? Are you going to be demanding tanks next? Shit, I think every citizen should have a nuke in their house! I guarantee nobody will be breaking in if I have a nuke hanging around.

Originally Posted by Doug E

Most of those illegal firearms at one point came from legal sources. If there is no legal source for these guns to be illegally obtained over time there will be fewer and fewer guns for criminals as they fall into disrepair. This may not reduce crime of course, that's more of a social issue, it should however reduce the amount of people killed during crime as there really is no better personal weapon for killing both intended victims and innocent bystanders than a firearm.



Your government became more tyrannical during Bush Jr's first term. What did Americans do? They voted him in for another 4 years. I highly doubt the people that care to own assault rifles would have the collective intelligence or ambition to organize any sort of resistance against a true tyrant if they were even able to recognize one. That's not to say every gun owner is a retard, I know a lot of bright dudes, I just happen to disagree with them on a lot of points, but I gotta say most of the guys I do know or have come across that are gun nuts are not the sharpest individuals. They would likely be the first to be brainwashed into following a tyrannical leader in the name of 'liberty', chanting 'U.S.A.' as they march into Iraq or a like nation that poses no military threat to them. If I was a true tyrant president today, I'd start a little war in say Iran, send over all the patriotic gun happy people and the unemployed lower classes to keep them busy and out of the country fighting for their liberty as I slowly strip it from the people at home that are too busy with their lives to either notice or take to the streets in protest.



What type of LE career did you have that molded your opinion that more guns in homes will help prevent criminals from illegally obtaining guns from legal gun owners? I'm curious because most people in law enforcement that I know feel the opposite way you do.

In my country we have stronger gun laws and less gun crime than you do. Our criminals do however get guns as we were once more lax on our gun laws and still have many criminally popular weapons in circulation. Not nearly the number the U.S. has of course. Unfortunately what we have been seeing in the last decade is more and more weapons being smuggled from the U.S., North into our country. We wouldn't have that problem if your country had similar laws to ours. Mexico and Central America too, would have much fewer weapons available to their criminals and gangs if it weren't for all the weapons legally manufactured in the USA and sold to/or smuggled there.

Sure these criminals, the more sophisticated and organized they are will always find a way to obtain firearms, but making it easier for them just means they have access to better weapons and more of them.

The fewer guns available A. the more they go up in price and B. The fewer there are to steal. The average citizen will have to worry less that the crackhead/burglar breaking into his home is armed with a firearm because that weapon is more valuable to the crackhead to sell to more sophisticated criminals. There will also be fewer firearms for that crackhead to steal from homes of citizens so there will be fewer guns in the hands of small time gang bangers and broke ass crackheads, the direct danger to the citizenry. More sophisticated criminals are less concern to the average citizen as their business doesn't usually involve directly harming citizens. So with fewer legal guns available there are fewer guns to be illegally owned by the kinds of criminals who harm normal citizens. Not overnight of course, but over time.