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Originally Posted by Ethersync
The people of Europe overwhelmingly do not support the Treaty of Lisbon (aka the EU Constitution). It was voted down in referendums in France, Holland, certainly would have been in the UK and arguably most of the rest of Europe had they not stopped having referendums due to lack of public support. Instead of listening to the people, politicians in pretty much every country in the EU, except for Ireland, decide to do a backdoor deal of sorts. Politicians in Ireland followed their constitutional mandate and had a public referendum on the adoption of the treaty (constitution) and, just like everywhere else in Europe that did the same prior, it was voted DOWN by the people. You criticize this and referring to it as "a kick in the ass"? Sorry, but you sound like a fucking fascist 
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sigh... why the name calling? people can have opposite opinions without insulting each other on a personal level. at least I can. and this is really the first time in 37 years that someone calls me facist. it's almost funny.
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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho
If you show me one single EU citizen that does know what is the core subject of the Lisbon treaty and will be able to put together two sensible sentences about it I will believe you. 
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here's the point: 99% of the people have no clue what the topic is about. public referendums are usually won by the party that screams louder but not necessaribly has the more reasonable points. this is why i don't like them. i still know that governments are by far not perfect, but still the chances that decisions are not influenced by short term marketing campaigns are much higher.