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Old 03-11-2009, 04:35 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays View Post
yes it was created over 6 months ago.

however, these "earmarks" also include projects that have been funded already through the "stimulus plan"

so not only is he doing something he said he wouldn't do... but many of these things are being funded twice.
I will admit that I didn't know there were things being funded twice. If that is the case then those things should have been removed from this bill before signing it.

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1) republicans criticizing him for signing a bill with ear marks has zero relevance to the fact that HE said time and time again that he would VETO any bill with ear marks.

That was part of the "change" he was being elected to make happen

2) republicans are also assholes and the problem is the system as a whole is fucked where if you don't grab the money... someone else will

3) Only 1% ? "Only" really? what is the number? it's something like almost $8,000,000,000.00?

you mean that right now... today... that EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS has no other practical use?

That's an astounding thought.
1. My point was that both parties are being hypocrites here and I saw nobody bashing the republicans. They have tons of earmarks in that bill, yet they are bashing Obama for signing the bill. As I said before this wasn't his bill so his not following through on vetoing it is not that big of a deal to me. It is kind of like if you get hired to do a job and when you start the job you realize that the person who previously had the job fucked a lot of stuff up. You can either fight hard to try to fix those problems or just admit that the damage is done and your energy is best spent stopping this from happening in the future. I'm not forgiving him. He did say he would veto any bill with earmarks, but I kind of give him a pass on this one since it was not his bill and started under the previous administrations watch.

2. I agree the republicans and democrats are equal assholes and it is sad that the system is built in a way where senators and congressmen are forced to grab and compete for money and if they don't get it someone else will. It is fucked up and there has to be a better way of doing this. There needs be a clear cut way where we can tell what is pet "pork" earmark and what is a legit request for money to fund a program/project.

3. There are probably many different ways that money could be better spent. It is a huge number. I was trying to put it into perspective. People are talking like the spending bill is 90% pork earmarks when that is just not the case. And out of those earmarks how many are legit requests for good programs/projects and how many are just junk and efforts to bring more money to a state? It is an enormous amount and the money could probably be put to better use, but it isn't like the entire bill is made up of these earmarks.
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