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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho
How about this:
1) overload of free substitute on the net
2) cc scamming going on
3) no ethics - many will pull any scam they're capable of to steal your piece of the pie (connected with the point 1 and point 2)
Well, say this might be able to help with the over saturation, as many might close the shop.
But the problem is that the biggest scams will most likely remain in the game - should we rethink the meaning of ethics if we are on the web?
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As long as the real problem isnt being taken care of, or as long as people who try and really do something versus the people who only complain (not meaning you btw) are getting bitched at i think rethinking ethics is almost impossible. Would love to see it happen though.
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Originally Posted by AnniKN
Main problem with this industry is its hypocrisy and self-destructive behaviour -being shortsighted, lying to the surfer, running credit cards and all sorts of things... the surfer never developed a liking for the industry, they could love a single website's content, but having to pay for it was an inconvenience as oppossed to something you wanted to do because it was both worth it and because you wanted the people who are running this awesome site to get something back for fulfilling your needs.
The way I see it, the industry needs a major clean up, and we need to educate the surfer - will it work? fuck if I know, but I do know that the sites that still get rebills and memberships are the ones that provide the surfer with something unique and that they find pleasant, and there is a reason for that.
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Amen to that. And i sincerly hope the sponsors and adult companies rethink it for a bit. Im glad i got you interested in our new project, and keep my hopes up a lot of the other sponsors will follow the example, working togehther and stop supporting the dark side and start supporting the people who try and make things change!!
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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho
But I can imagine if there's not the "different" "real" and "live" factor, it can as well be much tougher to upsell the content that's more "regular" and therefore extremely substitutable.
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Carlos i added you to my messengers, please hit me up, i would love to discuss with you about something, and get you involved in our new project!!
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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
This have very little to do with the economy but a lot to do with how webmasters handled their business in the last couple years. Especially with the new avaliability of streaming full lenght videos online, but not just that. We lost the confidence of the surfers with the cross sales, fraud, charge backs, dialers, auto dialers, email spam and other deceptive marketing methods.
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Maybe we can start by re-educating the webmasters who are in fact pushing the traffic around. I think thats a way better start then trying to re-educate surfers. It all starts with the sites they get on and sent to, in my opinion. Convincing them to use legal embeds instead of illegal ones, will certainly help NOT to get those promoted to the surfers, and losing them for a lifetime. May i hit you up sometime?
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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho
Not hearing this for the first time.
Actually, this reminds me I'm still owing the guys from xbiz ad network a try with their ppc context solution, I kind of like the model, Lorenzo should be bugging me already, I haven't returned the contract yet.
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Can you sent me a link to that? Would love to try it out myself too.
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Originally Posted by Elli
Great post, AnniKN. I've been milling it over in my own head lately, how to appeal to the surfer to explain the situation. I recently added a page of text to my videos on my own site saying "If you found this video anywhere but on ElliNude.com and you're enjoying it, please come by the official site and say hi". No idea if it's working yet, but it's worth a shot, right?
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Sounds like a wonderfull idea, let me know how that worked out, im doing somewhat of the same atm.
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Originally Posted by Elli
If not donations, I think micro-payments have huge potential. Like a clip store, but without the store aspect. If only the processors could allow say $2 charges for a single video file, etc, it would be easier for the surfer to swallow than a commitment like a monthly subscription that they have to remember to cancel.
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Good point ellie. Lemme know if our up for a chat sometime. Info in signature.
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Originally Posted by mynameisjim
What I do know is tube sites are doing more and more reposts and the surfers realize it. If you follow tube sites and the user comments, you will see them complain when there is a repost. Point is, if legit webmasters started locking down their content the tube sites would slowly dry up from a lack of content. The surfer would get tired of the lack of new content and would slowly start to search out porn again.
It really is that easy.
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Exactly! And thats what im trying to do with our new project. Lets start to try and convince the WEBMASTERS who embed those videos to use the alternative, im up for that, in fact im putting my neck out and my balls, to try and do that right now!
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Originally Posted by crockett
Blame the tubes.. Yes really not just a catch phrase.
Affiliate programs need to start putting their foot down as to how many adds can be on the same page as their promotional content.
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And maybe start supporting legal tubes only, or at least give those more support. Might i hit u up for a talk soon?
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
There is nothing new about any of this. It's all old hat.
1) overload of free substitute on the net When you have a system run by people who want it for free, they see the solution as giving it away for free. It's a mindset.
2) cc scamming going on I think it was Crescent, or the company that runs this publisher who I first heard of ripping off credit cards, again nothing new.
3) no ethics - many will pull any scam they're capable of to steal your piece of the pie Since I first started selling here it was amazing the different attitudes there was to stealing or conning. It seemed doing it to an affiliates was a crime so bad it should be punished by death. Yet doing the same to customers was never really a problem. Unless it effected out income. Seems the worm has turned.  |
I want to talk to you to paul
Interesting points there!
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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho
If I would publish my conversion ratios with bigsisterlive.com for the entire 2009, the whole GFY would call me out that I'm bragging and shit and they would do anything what they can to try to put me down.
I'll actually do it once I'll have all the promos up, why should I fucking care?
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Please do, and hit me up!!
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Originally Posted by slapass
Because a lot of us are geeks, we don't realize how big of a deal a tube site is. Torrents have more stuff etc but most people can't and won't use them but a tube is easy. Your 50 year old American with a wallet full of CC's no longer needs to pay and that is what is hurting us.
I do like the idea of policing the content. If tubes got stale it would help a lot.
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Exactly what im trying to do. Now if i would get some backup, that would help a lot
It seems people like to complain more, then supporting anybody who at least gives it a try to stale them!! Good point there!
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat
Likewise.
As for anyone else who might be interested. I just checked out Relentless's sites. He's definitely working in the right direction as far as reworking the membership model. As an affiliate working with revshare sales, these are the type of sites that will retain membership and keep a user active within the site, outside of say the 8 minutes it might take them to bust a nut over some video. I agree with him on the points he's made. You gotta offer something that either a) hasn't been done, b) provides the user with interaction outside of just jerking their meat, or c) offers both.
Regardless of what people continue to work with in adult, it's going to take some serious adaptation. Relentless offers clean sites, which don't screw or mislead the members, give the members incentive to stick around, and generally I think should do well for anyone who likes those recurring sales. If I were still promoting adult actively as an affiliate, this is the sort of network I'd be looking at working with.
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Indeed, is there any way i can contact him, or maybe you can let him know i would love to talk to him?
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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho
"Smart" would be to
- get to the owners of all these sites
- setup a live broadcast, put the links here on GFY
- crucify them in live broadcast
- fill all the illegal sites from 80 pct. with your promos and with referral links
- wait till the traffic drops
- find where the traffic goes again, that would be easy
- identify the new ones, who're riding the free fuck up bandwagon
- repeat the procedure
This could actually have some impact on the general understanding of the principle, that stealing from someone, who can fight back, is not right.
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It can be done easier. If everybody would stop supporting illegal tubes and start supporting the ones making an effort to keep it clean, let the webmasters make money from embedding legal videos, convince them to do that instead of sending the surfers in the hands of the wrongdoers, and sponsors backing up and supporting those who use legal embeds surrounded by the right banners.
Very interesting thread, bookmarked!