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Old 04-01-2009, 10:02 AM  
CarlosTheGaucho
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1. If the content is uploaded by the people who own the site, aren't they already in violation of DMCA?
Yes, the question is how to put down an evidence. Unless DMCA gets rewritten this might not be too easy.

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2. How are you supposed to sell something you've already given away?
By shutting the one, who paid the thief down, so he can't pay him to steal from you anymore.

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3. Can porn ever go ad supported and just be 100% free?
No chance:

mainstream will never touch it

there's a limited number of those, who can ad support this (cams, dating, pills I don't know what)

Logically, they will never have enough budget to support that much porn that producers would like to, so the definition of a "producer" and "reasonable return" would change forever.

I don't believe the potential is there, on the top of that they too will get over saturated soon.

Most importantly, at that moment you're relying on someone else for paying your bills, you're no more marketing your product B2C on your own, which is the most fucked up thing about this.

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4. How do you feel about tube sites that use stolen content to feed the "premium" members areas?
This is even asking for a nice lawsuit, commercially exploiting / giving away stolen goods for gaining your own returns, again the question of how to bypass DMCA

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5. Will they be the death of our business?
Firstly, calling this a "business" is rather ridiculous.

Secondly, there's not an easy answer to this, let me quote what I already tried to address to Paul Markham, who's was on a posting streak in my thread, I like Paul, but I had to react.


Quoted text below:

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How about this:

a) The product (much better word than "content")

b) the traffic

c) the competition

d) the legal regulation

etc.

are ALL PARTS of the environment where you do your MARKETING, where you try to sell your stuff, where you try to make money

From the very first idea you have till the moment, when you count dollars and stats and think of ways, how to improve things and how to gain more edge..

All These things are instantly and intensely affecting YOUR returns!

Ok, Where are we now?

Let's take one after another:

The product:

Mainly shitty over saturated content / in many cases questionable billing practices etc.

(in simple words - FAIL)

The traffic

More educated traffic with less potential than ever

(in simple words - FAIL)

The competition

Many will do anything to fuck you over, and they do it, they steal traffic through illegal tube bullshit etc. and it affects everyone's ratios

(in simple words - FAIL)

The regulation

Practically non existing legal environment, apart from a couple old school pervs getting locked down for being too perv on camera

(in simple words - FAIL)

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