Originally Posted by Bill8

Well, for me at least, the scientific world modeling doesn't diminish the feelings of wonder and nouminous states of mind, especially the ones that we get from looking at the amazing things we can see here and there on this planet.

And the scientific models include the idea that the human brain and mind can easily enter a large number of states that affect us and seem very mysterious and important.

But there's a difference between personal states of awe and ecstasy and wonder and visions, and moving from those states to believing stories of religious models, in which non-human immaterial entities are the source of things like life, death, tornados, and the like.

The scientific models don't claim that it's impossible for there to be immaterial entities behind things, it just says, what's the evidence for it, and if we try to test for the existence of such entities using real world evidence rather than old stories, what do we find?