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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
sorry , you can use whatever theoretical argument to make it better in your mind but the facts remains if you feed 100 people on meat and 100 on veggies MORE SMART animals are killed for the veggies.
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It's hard to describe exactly how untrue this is. It is factually incorrect. Unconceivably wrong. The opposite of being right.
There is no possible way to believe this, I know you're trolling, but for the benefit of anyone reading. If you have ever lived on a proper farm, and I don't mean an acre or two with a couple of cows, but a proper meat production farm, you'd know that for the most part, cows pigs and chickens are fed cereal and soya. Yes there are some ranges and grass fed cows and chickens, but overall, grain fed beef, pig and chicken is how our meat is produced. Grain fed cattle grow 3 times faster than grass fed. It's simple economics. At any rate, it takes 10 kilos of feed to produce 1 kilo of beef and 5 kilos of feed to produce 1 kilo of pork. Meaning that pound for pound eating a big mac kills TEN TIMES your smart animals than a gluten/soya/etc burger. And then the actual cow as a cherry on top.
It's kind of funny how people don't understand the EROEI on meat production. It's so simple.
Stack up the 3 meals a day you've eaten your entire life in a large warehouse. At around 35 it's probably enough to feed 33,000 people one meal each.. Whereas if they ate your body which took in the energy from those 33,000 meals you'd only feed maybe 50 people.
Because eating plants is like eating the stacked up meals it's far more efficient. So yes, a certain amount of field mice and so on die to produce a tofu burger, but for some reason people just don't click that whatever that amount is, someone eating a beef burger kills ten times more. So it's not an argument against vegetarianism. If killing field mice is the thing you have an issue with, going vego "saves" many, many more of those animals.
Personally I don't give a shit. If I could kill the crows that wake me up every saturday morning without getting spotted by the neighbours I would. But I can't let a flasehood like that pass.