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Smokey, your premise is flawed so I'm not sure how much longer I can argue.
You claim that harvesting vegetables kills more animals than eating meat. But if I eat vegetables AND meat, how can that be better? Obviously if you are eating meat in addition to vegetables which kill animals, the total animals killed will be higher if you are a meat eater as opposed to just being a vegetarain.
Even if I concede that your argument is correct, I am still responsible for less animal death than you are if we follow your logic, which was my claim from the beginning.
So even though I don't agree with you, I will concede that harvesting vegetables kills as many animals as you say (even though it's not true). But I still win even accepting your argument and logic, because by not eating animals, I am responsible for less mistreated animals than a meat eater, and that was my claim all along.
You are also starting to argue the use of pesticides. That is a separate issue and I'm sure it comes as no surprise that I an unhappy with the amount of pesticides used. Personally, I only eat organic vegetables. But like I said, that's a separate issue.
You also said that animals are killed painlessly when they are slaughtered for their meat. You may want to look into that a little bit as you are TOTALLY wrong. In Europe, animals are at least gassed before they are slaughtered. No such law exists in the U.S. But it's not just the way they are killed. The cows you see when driving cross country are not the ones you eat. The ones you eat come from feed lots, feed lots you never see. The reason you don't see them is because they are shocking to see in person. Literally millions of cattle pressed shoulder to shoulder. They are given growth hormone because they never move and would never build muscle without the steroids. Not to mention, their feed is so unnatural that unless they are fed antibiotics from the time they are born, they would all die from the poor diet. I won't even get started on chicken farms.
Remember a while back, some guy posted a video on Youtube where he whipped a cat against the wall? It was posted here on GFY and pretty much a witch hunt started across the internet, people bought domains, they found out his name, they contacted the police and he was arrested within 24 hours. People right here on GFY talked about how they would love to kick that guys ass. That was ONE FUCKING cat that got mistreated and people freaked out. Yet millions and millions of animals are being mistreated as you read this and all those same people pretend it's not happening. They are rationalizing. They love animals as much as I do, but they pretend that eating meat is alright and in step with their own values when it is clearly not upon close inspection of their behavior.
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