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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
1) you're very liberal
2) "logic" is a highly subjective thing. i can argue any point with "logic" and declare myself right as you do.
but i'm just not that arrogant. i fully understand that each issue has more than one side, more than one argument and that both might be wrong, one might be right or wrong or that both can be right. further, i realize that i'm biased towards a certain viewpoint just as you are biased, and i use "logic" to deduce that my political views are not perfectly balanced due to how i perceive and interpret the world and events around me.
a christian uses "logic" to prove the existence of god... an atheist uses "logic" to disprove the existence of god.
at the end of the day, both views are based on faith, not provable fact. it requires substantial arrogance and an ironic absence of logic to declare such faith based, narrow minded views as fact. "logic" would demand that one would not reach a conclusion.
you cast everyone who thinks differently than you as being an idealogue.. but yourself as just being a fair minded, balanced person who uses deductive reasoning and logic to reach conclusions. the simple fact of the matter is that there are two distinct world views in US politics and two sides of the fence. a "logical person", carefully giving equal weight to both views and arguments, would be in the center, the great majority of the time.. not consistently on one side. thats just simple, 4th grade math.
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We can sit here and argue about what my views are for weeks... it wouldn't matter because you have no fucking idea what I think. What you do is the same shit everytime... characterize me as arrogant, etc. You are wrong about me... pure and simple because you are making assumptions about me based on the false pretense that I fit some mold that you think I fit into.
When I say "logic" I mean logic based on truth and provable FACT... not false logic. Using your example, it's is entirely reasonable for religious people to believe that there is a God based on the FACT that matter couldn't just have appeared based on our current understanding of science and thus they deduct that a third party, God, created the Universe (a theory)... It is ALSO reasonable, and in my opinion, for Atheists to deduct that there is no God because there is no scientific proof that God exists... However, there are theories (faith) based on the "God Particle". The faith in both positions is parallel... both are using logic based on a false premise because there is no substantive proof to support the basis of either position.
You say I am a liberal (I agree I hold liberal views on many issues)... but what positions do I hold that make me a liberal? You have very little idea other than what I have posted and a guess. Your logic is based on a false premise that I hold certain views but you have no substantive proof of any positions that I hold other than what I have posted. Merely labeling me as "liberal" doesn't represent my views as a whole.
On the other hand, you typically make sweeping characterizations of my views or Obama's views based on what? Typically, I see you posting ideological differences and not logical differences. You rarely post a logical alternative to support your opposition.