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Originally Posted by Robbie
Gideon, I think his solution is your worst nightmare. I know you love the torrents and you think you should have the right to join my site and take everything and re-post it on a torrent. I understand your position.
But if what Dirty Dane states happens...you're done. And no, it's not the same as shutting down porn to stop CP. Little thing called Free Speech.
What it would be like is exactly what it would be...stopping piracy. You keep saying what a great advantage it is to all of us to have piracy and all the free advertising.
Funny how everybody is down 40% + since piracy took off over the last 2 years. If you were correct we'd all be swimming in cash by now despite ourselves.
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that is the stupidest statement you have ever made
how much money did the movie industry make from vcr BEFORE they decided to sell movies on video tape (0)
If you don't exploit the technology, you are going to make dick all, but that the point
don't waste your time trying to kill the technology use it.
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Look, I know you love torrents. And you think you're going to get rich off of your "innovative" ideas of using torrents.
But don't you think that me and others like me who have been making millions of dollars in our businesses for years and mass marketing on a scale that you never have...don't you think WE might know better than a guy like you who has never worked in adult at all and has no record of success in anything?
Just consider that. Not saying that it precludes a person like you from having a great idea and making the big time. I'm just saying that perhaps you are putting all your eggs in the wrong basket here.
Sales across the board are going down. And after almost 2 years of tube and torrents exploding traffic wise...sales CONTINUE to spiral downwards. Your theory is disproved every minute of every day when a person downloads an unauthorized copy of a persons work instead of paying for it.
There, I just blinked my eyes and someone stole another scene and disproved you.
And when everybody has had enough and lost enough money on this...change will happen and you won't be happy about it. The LAW will change. And the courts only interpret law. So they will have to rule in a way that reflects the law. Sorry Gideon. But I really think you're wasting your talents here.
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robbie all of the things we identified to do for mainstream tv shows if they wanted to monetize bit torrent was tested using porn videos.
Quite simply because the cost of aquiring the content rights to do the test were significantly cheaper (2k vs 1.5 million)
change your watermarks, you can more than triple your traffic from type ins
make a minor change to the branding bug that tells you the models name in the scene you can increase your revenue by 22.35%
add a live component and use branding bugs to upsell it in every video you release and you could increase retention by 31% (this one is an estimate based on return rates on type ins since i don't have a paysite to fully test it on)
all of those things would benefit you weather the content is sold or given away for free.
Add product placement deals (ET style) could both provide you new revenue source and significantly increase your market by giving you mainstream exposure.
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Originally Posted by CrkMStanz
ya - I know I said i was not going to post here again but C'MON Gideon
you are admittedly the king of bad analogies - but even you should have seen thru this one.
pizza store sells cocaine out the back door - do the cops shut down the pizza industry - or the food industry? no, of course not - but that pizza store gets shut down.
a government official is caught in a huge kickback scheme involving government contracts - do the cops shut down all the worlds governments? no, of course not - but the asshole gets his taste of justice.
bikers/mafia/mob/gangs.... are involved in 'legitimate' businesses - do the cops shut down worldwide commerce? no, of course not - but they surely actively pursue the 'bad elements'.
I could go on with a lot more examples but even you can't be dense enough not to realize you are wrong in this analogy.
the internet is no different - the porn industry is no different and the torrent/sharing sites are no different. If a site is guilty of infringement - then pull the plug on them. If a hosting company knowingly allows it on their system - pull their plug. If an ISP recruits this type of activity - pull their plug. The rest of us will be just as happy without those 'elements' and the internet will carry on. And if you can pin it on the end user - then by all means - cops knockin on the door is appropriate.
SOMEONE has to be responsible and/or culpable
our governments and law enforcement hate a 'perfect crime' unless they are the ones profiting from or controlling it.
the reaper will come...
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it not a bad analogy becuase the exact same torrent file (swarm) is being used for both legitimate uses (timeshifting/backup/recovery) as illegal uses (copyright infringement) and you want to take down the swarm not the individuals who are actually doing the illegal uses.
All of your examples are about punishing the guilty and leaving
the innocent in the same circumstance alone
that is the point i am making over and over again
punish the guilty leave those that do have a right alone
if that means leaving the technology alone or embracing it (setting up a private tracker).