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Originally Posted by kane
And somehow my objecting to people downloading music and movies that they haven't paid for has helped you learn how to deal with your clients problems? How so? If your client owns their material and they want to use your torrent marketing program what is the problem?
There is none? There is no law that says you can't give something you own away for free if you want. So what would they have to object to?
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because they have the bias attitude that the government is going to fix the problem and turn back the clock to the time that they were all making good money with the established tryed and true method that has worked for years. They don't want to try something that worked in porn (but obviously won't work in mainstream)
sound familiar. I have to overcome those objects in the real world.
Look at robbie for example i have offered to show you guys a step by step action plan on exactly how to do, all robbie as to do is agree that he will never use any of the things i show you.
Yet instead telling him to agree, people keep saying thing like "well said" when he backpeddles on making such a declaration.
how many times have you convinced yourself of something and you keep arguing a point even though you know your wrong, and you can't produce a single fact to back up your statement.
for example pitch i recently made didn't try and convince anyone i was right.
I layed out the same arguement i do here to the lawyer but instead of saying see i am right i ask the question "is it possible that arguement will work in court if made"
they always say yes.
so i lay out th two choices, you can sit there hoping that the government will change the laws so that this "loophole" (air quotes) is closed, but continue to lose money day in and day out until the problem is solved that OR you try these solutions that have worked before but you are not sure will work for your market.
If they succeed in making you way more money then you are losing keep doing them "When" the government finally wakes up and restores your "rights". if not lock it down again and go back to the good old days.
Worst case senerio they don't work and you are no worse off then you currently are. Since we offer a performance guarrentee we are the only ones who take the risk when that happens.
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The only reason I have ever mistook what you are saying when it comes to laws in different countries is because you talk in circles. You spin a web of bullshit that anyone without a decoder ring could get lost in. I ask about the Wolverine movie and you give me a song and dance about access shifting.
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in the context of a case in europe against the pirate bay where the precedent had been set
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I start to zero in on this access shifting stuff and eventually 10 posts later we get to the root of the deal which is that in the US there is no such thing as access shifting. Apparently there is other countries, but not the US, but you make sure to leave that little tidbit out of your answer to give the impression that you are correct.
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your examples jumped to the US, not mine, i was following your lead. I spoke in the context of the question. I am still correct, this case is in europe, not the united states. The US laws have the same fair use context, nothing in fair use requires that the source has to be legal. In fact the precedent has been set that even if the source is 100% illegal fair use still apply under those 4 conditions. The only thing that is stopping this arguement from being set in the US is the suing of someone who realizes this precedent exists in europe. And all the current outstanding cases have such an opening for the arguement to be made. 1 download != 1 lost sale arguement makes sense both on a legal basis and on a completely logical one.
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In the end it really doesn't matter. You will do what you are going to do and I am going to my thing as well. We are pretty much powerless in this fight. The fight is eventually going to come down to the big companies VS websites like The Pirate Bay and there will also be heavy lobbying to stop torrent downloads at the ISP level. If they are successful, they can put a clamp on illegal downloads - at least in the US. If not they will have to drastically change their marketing plan and hope that works.
I personally feel that most torrent users use them to get things they don't want to pay for. They want music and movies and games and apps and they don't want to pay for them so they use torrents to get them. I also feel these people are primarily freeloaders who are going to be very difficult to monetize. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am right. Only time will tell.
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Unfortunately you will never know if your right or wrong until you actually test out selling to them correctly. It not that hard to tweek a campaign so that such sales will happen.