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Originally Posted by Libertine
Serious (ie life-threatening) adverse side effects actually are that uncommon. That doesn't mean you shouldn't watch out for them, though. It's like the documents they give you with medication. Those often also reference side effects that only have a 1:100000 chance of occurring.
Of course they don't have smallpox. It's been eradicated. Through vaccination.
As for many of the other diseases, the reason you don't see huge epidemics of those right now is that most people do get vaccinated. That brings the mathematics of epidemics into play: herd immunity doesn't require everyone to be immune, just a certain % of the population. If you reach that %, it becomes impossible for those diseases to spread.
Right now, for many of the diseases that get vaccinated against, there's still effective herd immunity in most western countries. With every person who refuses to vaccinate their children, though, the immunization threshold comes closer. And even if there's effective herd immunity, there can still be localized outbreaks among groups of people who don't have vaccinations. Which is why, for example, occurrence of paralysis due to polio is far higher among certain religious groups than it is among the general population.
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Almost not worth talking to over this... I have already said several times some vaccines are needed. People know that in modern times that vaccines have helped us.
But that doesn't relate to anything about forcing us to take a vaccine. If you really believe the herd theory, then nobody would need to be forced.
That was the entire point, forced vaccines... not if some work or some don't work.
The vaccine in question, this flue one. Kills less people than the Cold and they are talking about forcing it. They don't have to kick your doors down to force you.
That's what makes it bullshit and your entire argument is crap. Because as you said, the entire herd doesn't need it.
And sorry to burst your bubble, billions of people have no vaccines in them at all.