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Old 08-17-2009, 07:02 PM  
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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed View Post
To me, when I see a competitor doing something unethical or dishonest, it tells me that they are DESPERATE AND ON THE VERGE OF DIEING. Everyone is as honest as their bank account allows. Instead of following the "Can't beat them, join em" motto, rest assured in the fact that YOU ARE WINNING. Let them try to sleep well or look themselves in the mirror KNOWING THEY ARE RIPPING PEOPLE OFF. Karma will have its day, it is inevitable.

History ALWAYS repeats iteself. GREED and DESPERATION are always followed by FAILURE and COLLAPSE. Time will sort the winners and the losers. "Give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves." No one can ever tell me that lieing, cheating, or stealing is the correct way to run a business. If you need money badly enough to steal it, or assist someone else to steal it, then I feel sorry for you, but maybe this industry isn't the right one for you? There is plenty of money to be made in this business by running honestly and ethically. If you can't figure out how to do it, then get out and stop fucking things up for everyone else.

If you agree, then support the companies you know are fighting the good fight, and don't give in to the pressure.

Steve Lightspeed
Steve not sure if you saw my post I made a couple days ago, it fell off the front page pretty quick as I guess it wasn't exciting but it touches on a lot of what you are saying.... However I disagree with a couple things you said. For one, just because a company is doing dishonest things doesn't mean they are desperate. That may be the case for most of the ones you see that are starting to do shitty thing today, but the ones like AFF that were doing this 3-4 years ago when sales were strong they did it for pure greed. Here is a part of my post:

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Originally Posted by Will76
The decissions of those companies who did business with illegal tube sites and spyware companies early one was " fuck it, i'm here to make money, I want to make as much as I can and I don't care about anyone else, the industry, whatever." aka greed.

In recent times I am seeing and hearing about more and more companies that took a stand against these practices now engaging in it. Most of their motives are " everyone else is doing it, my opinion doesn't matter, etc.." but it seems apparent to me that their real reasoning is desperstion to make money. While the "everyone else is doing it" statement is true, I believe it is the current state of the economy and their business that is forcing them to try to make money to pay the bills.

3 years ago, greed made them do it.
today, desperation to stay in business.

And I suspect as the times get worse the business practices around here is going to get worse as well.
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