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Old 08-18-2009, 06:00 AM  
Pleasurepays
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Originally Posted by marketsmart View Post
thats the answer...

well designed wheels are very difficult if not impossible to detect with a machine...

however, i think that the se's could look for the same consistent patterns in the sites that links are coming from especially considering the frequency that wheels use social networking sites..

i have heard that Google is starting to place less weight on social sites, but i guess time will tell...
you are right and everyone is talking about this thing that's very 1998 as if its something from next year.... just because some 14yr old kid coined a phrase that sounds cool. growing networks of sites and linking them together in a variety of methods began from the first day PageRank and HITS went live (two algorithms which rely solely on linking relationships between pages). It's nothing new.

And as you suggest.. there is a very easy way to detect them... its the same as how you know someone is cheating in a casino... the guy is winning. you can't hide that an inordinate number of links are pointing to one place, the patterns, their common sources, dns, IP's and the non-natural way at which these links are happening (the rate, locations etc). you would have to be able to emulate random surfer behavior / webmaster behavior as GOOGLE see's it in every aspect to be undetectable. its not the direction of the links and who's linking to what that makes it look natural.. its actually emulating natural behaviors that makes it look natural. webmasters are pretty random. link velocity is pretty random. surfer behavior is pretty random. and Google has 12-13 years or more of data to be able to determine whether its natural or not.

furthermore, you're now reduced to using blogs and social networks that do not nofollow the links. that makes it extremely obvious where the problem sites are and who is abusing theses sites to manipulate another sites rankings... particularly since it's inevitably going to be 20,000 other people doing the same.

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