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His statement may be badly formulated.
However, our seniors believe their medicare is a right. And our poor believe that their medicaid is a right.
So the formulation, while incorrect, follows an already established model.
The real question is, is controlling health care costs a legitimate government concern?
Outlaw medicare and medicaid, and half the feedback loop is broken. Go ahead, outlaw it, that's fine with me. But that's another thing that will never happen.
So the question is, why is it legitimate for government to pay ever spiraling amounts to private corporations for medicare and medicaid, and for the rest of us to pay ever spiraling rates to cover medical bankruptcies, but not legitimate for government to try to control those costs?Comment
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I wonder how many people die waiting to get health care in the UK, Canada, etc. because the programs are underfunded and/or understaffed primarily because most of the money is spent on bureaucrats. I also wonder how many people will be fined and or tossed in jail because they couldn't pay their health insurance for some reason or another. I also wonder what kind of requirements the government will impose on the populace once they get the say so in your health affairs. Need our health insurance? Well we need you to take this shot.Last edited by onwebcam; 09-19-2009, 03:50 PM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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BTW the "teabaggers" aren't protesting health care for the most part. That term was coined by the media as those who were protesting the Fed and bailouts etc. But most groups banding together because they are sick of the government altogether.Last edited by onwebcam; 09-19-2009, 03:54 PM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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"The free market will provide it" Huh?
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Keep on wondering ....
BTW, my sister's mother in law ( 87 years old ) fell at the supermarket, saturday of labor day weekend.
She broke her hip.
Ambulance came, brought her to St-Marys Hospital ( no need for insurrance, papers, all that shit ).
I heard of it Saturday night, So I decided to visit her Sunday to try to cheer her up ( she was going to go in front of the " death " panels ...
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Got there at 3:00 PM : no one in the room ... shit !! did they terminate her ... (
) Asked the nurse ( maybe ashes are left ) where was Perry ? She was in the recovery room, following her OPERATION ( Sunday, of Labor day weekend, operated within 24 hours ) . AAfter 8 days in the hospital, they have transfered her to a rehabilitation home ( not your kind for criminals, but to get people better ) . She still is there, receiving treatment and excersices ... Don't know when she will be out.
Total to pay : $ 0.00
Shit, what was your question already ??????
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I pay for my own health insurance. If you can't afford to, it's time to stop 'blingin' and start paying on your Chase card.
It's not impossible to manage your fucking finances, or am I supposed to pay for that, too?Comment
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Although the thread is primarily about human healthcare programs...I thought I'd share this similiar episode.
We took our cat in to the vet after we noticed she'd gone jaundiced overnight. The vet diagnosed it as major liver/kidney failure. The vet injected her with a saline to rehydrate her enough to take her home for the kids to say their goodbyes.
The diagnosis was $120. The saline infusion was another $100.
We had her put to sleep later that night - another $120...and then another $100 for a private cremation.
$440 for a dead cat.
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That's a copout. It has nothing to do with Obama. He just happens to be the man in charge when the shit hits the fan.. Besides the "teabagging" started before Obama was even in office. Remember the bailouts? Who was President then? A piece of shit white guy. Shit comes in all colors. All depends on what kind of bullshit you've been fed.Last edited by onwebcam; 09-19-2009, 06:40 PM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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I tried to pay for mine but nobody will sell me health insurance I am too old and have preexisting conditions.
In fact because I have no health insurance and can?t buy any at any cost I am unable to mange my finances because a trip to the hospital will bankrupt me. No sense in having a savings they will just take it all away from me if I get sick.Comment
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If an insurance company doesn't think they can make a profit off of you, you don't get the chance to buy insurance. Period.
EVERYONE here, EVERYONE, will someday be that person. Then what? Then you are an uninsured American. Just pray you are healthy until Medicaid kicks in.
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It's more efficient if poor people just live until they get slightly sick, and then die quickly. If someone makes less than $10 per hour, it is not worth spending a penny to keep them alive. Just tell their children not to use condoms or have abortions, and the workforce will produce new, younger workers to take the place of the dead. Econ 101.
Stupid liburals crying about rights/justice is the biggest problem we face. Do not allow illegals or the uninsured to use emergency rooms, and you have a simple way to save billions.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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Good point. America, the richest country of all time by far, can't afford what every industrial nation on earth pays for without debate. Again baddog, the well-intentioned moron, proves his genius. We can't afford it; yet Canada, our poor neighbor that we don't even debate paying billions to protect militarily, a country run by far-right religious conservatives... who would never even consider saying they can't afford to give every overweight diabetic alcoholic the best health care humanly possible. Why? Because you have to be a special king of selfish cunt to spend money on anything before every kid and grandma gets to see the doctor. But these right wing sociopaths would rather get rid of the inheritance tax for multi-millionaires than let the poor see a doctor once a year. These people should be institutionalized, not reasoned with.
Brilliant work baddog. I'm glad you watched fox news for over ten minutes and read six sentences of Milton Friedman before coming to your well informed decision. Hopefully no one you know ever gets sick alongside having the horrible pre-existing condition of not being a millionaire.Last edited by [db]; 09-19-2009, 10:28 PM.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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This is the thing that blows me away, that the US is so inefficient with it's health dollars. I'd understand the argument more if the lack of a universal health care meant the US was spending 5% of GDP and saving an assload of money, but it's not.. It's like people are protesting for the right to be ass-raped. It's just a public option ffs it's not even universal.Comment
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It's pretty simple why the US spends so much. Profit. No other civilized country makes profit from health insurance. Not one.
We do. End of story.
As long as we want to continue having rich people make profit from the sick, our "health insurance" will always cost more than everyone else's. No matter how good Barack Obama is at giving speeches or how good Glen Beck is at crying like a baby.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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I dont know the answers, I just know that it sure seems to be fucked up.
I pay $502/month for PPO insurance for me & my 10yr old son. Its expensive but cant afford to not have it.Comment
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Do you know what your deductibles/co-pays are? If one of you gets cancer, or any other serious condition, will this plan keep you on? These are your main concerns... monthly payments are really irrelevant. Most people in desperate need of medical help in this country have insurance, they just can't afford to use it.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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Public option is a bunch of bull. All they want to do is pass a law to require everyone to have health insurance so the insurance companies get a huge influx of people on their plans. That's what it's been about all along and that's what we'll end up with. The insurance companies will spread the profits among their investors and write off the losses to the tax payer. Current premiums won't change much and if they do they'll be right back up where they were before you know it. It's the same game they are playing with the banking system. Nothing new. There's one thing you can guarantee, that is that the insurance companies are going to win in this either way and the people will get fucked.Last edited by onwebcam; 09-20-2009, 12:03 AM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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You're fucking dense buddy. A public option will enable the exact opposite of what you're describing. If they pass something without that public option, then you're right. But the congress won't pass that. Don't forget, we elected the evil libruls to run congress. Teabaggers are only the majority at frat parties. Glen Beck aside, most of the country is made up of human beings who can understand simple facts.
Sooner than later, we will have a public option. And yes, this will quickly destroy all private insurance companies, Barack Obama corporate pussies not withstanding. And then BOOM! We have nationalized healthcare... like every sane, industrial country on this tiny planet.
We will have healthcare before Sudan does! oh ten!!!Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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I guess you missed the deficit news. Also, I believe if you compare tax rates you will notice they pay more.
So, in order to provide this "Canadian style" health care we would have to significantly raise taxes to pay for it. I think if we are raising taxes the money should be used to pay down the existing debt, not to make an excuse for a new one.
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Ya, pay down the dept, kill grandpa. Awesome. I wish I had an A in my first year economics class like you fucking silky useless boners.
Is it still impolite to call people like this retards? It shouldn't be. No offense to retards.
Keep posting charts, badbrain. Canadians will keep sending their poor grandmothers to the doctor when she needs it. I'm sure your point will prevail.
We need a new word for people who are this thoughtless and heartless at the same time. "Fox news fans" will have to do until someone more clever than I comes up with something.Last edited by [db]; 09-20-2009, 12:31 AM.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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This is how much they care about you and your future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1VbGcaVvFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CejlvDU5Hkw
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Wow, I hope those clips feature crazy assholes talking about things they are not qualified in any way to discuss. Hey, I'm in luck!Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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Not qualified? lol Those guys have been right all along while the people you think are looking out for ya are picking your pockets.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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You are an asshole for thinking that anyone is looking out for "you". Fuck, you people are stupid. Some things are simple. For example, the reason than Norway is able have have better health care than the United States of fucking America. Profit is the reason asshole, not whatever nonsense your twelse year old kid can be convinced to believe. "Death panels are the problem!" Fucking Psychos.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to buy Dick Armey/Fox News' version of reality. Sad to see how many of these people exist. We should have never given the confederate states the vote after we beat the shit out of them like the little cock sucking pussies that they are. Sadly it seems like a lot of them want us to burn down their cities again to make the point set in. Horrifically, one day we may have to do it again.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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Bottom line:
A health care plan with a viable public option would represent a significant improvement over what we have now.
A health care plan without a viable public option would be far worse than what we have now.
So yeah, if it goes down like you're predicting, then we're all fucked.
I'm still holding out some hope that congress will get it right though.Comment
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Everyone should just calculate insurance as a mandatory expense....and just have ins. and pay and get on with it.....your car has ins. your house has ins, your body should be # 1 to have ins!!!!!![email protected]
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Not everyone has homeowners insurance and car insurance. Obviously we should have a universal, single payer health care system like every other industrial country on the planet. The reason we don't: too many fucking idiots who don't know corporate propaganda when it kicks them in the teeth and laughs about it. And then denies their claim to get their teeth fixed.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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If they were just trying to make a simple health care policy which applies to everyone including Congress themselves across the board same price and that was it then I don't think anyone would argue. But that's not whats being done in any plan. Every one of them are hundreds if not thousands of pages chock full of bureaucratic and corporate favoritism bullshit.Last edited by onwebcam; 09-20-2009, 02:09 AM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Us "dogooders", I guess that is English, have done stupid things like expand the vote to women and minorities, create medicare despite crazy propaganda from guess who (morons like you), and basically bring about every other instance of social advancement in the history of mankind, over objections from reactionary simpletons who are trying to defend their caves (again, you).
Don't worry, we will eventually improve the health care system for you and your family, even though you are so stupid that you are fighting against yourself and for the corporations that I'm sure in your mind you believe you are opposing. The fucking morons always loose in the end, that's rule one. If we have to burn down every fucking city in the God damned south again, we will make this a decent country to live in, eventually. Racism and ignorance just can't win against progress and justice, no matter how much Glen Beck cries and Rush Limbaugh snorts.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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Why am I arguing with this backwards jackass? Something about a dining room table is coming to mind.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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Every member of Congress must be immortal (more like immoral) because they sure as hell don't read any bill they vote on. I bet your dumb ass believes they actually write the bills they introduce. Hell they probably don't even read those fuckers.
You're the one who is buying all of the corporate BS. They are biting their fingernails awaiting profit and loss guarantees. The bankers pulled this shit back in 1913 and have gotten away with it for nearly 100 years now. And people like yourself STILL don't get the fact that they have you bent over pounding your ass all day long.Last edited by onwebcam; 09-20-2009, 02:18 AM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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Stupid, oversimplified bullshit.
"Oh my God, the federal reserve sucks my nuts, so we should oppose everything the government ever does!"
Wake up loony toon. You won't be quoting Alex Jones when you are picking up your social security check. Go teabag your wifesister and stop bothering people.Palin/Bigotry '12Comment
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You do realize that chart is Missing Data?I guess you missed the deficit news. Also, I believe if you compare tax rates you will notice they pay more.
So, in order to provide this "Canadian style" health care we would have to significantly raise taxes to pay for it. I think if we are raising taxes the money should be used to pay down the existing debt, not to make an excuse for a new one.
Once that is taken care of we can discuss new ways to spend.
You need to ADD your "CURRENT" health care costs to that chart. See, those other countries have that cost added in, we don't... and damn, ours is still that high?
Once you add in our health care costs as a tax, right now.. WE are taxed more than the majority.
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US healthcare is based on "for profit businesses" ... the insurance companies, paying doctors and hospitals for their services. Sounds simple.
In practice however these insurance companies only motivation is profit NOT health care. As a result they only insure those they know they can make a profit from ... those less likely to need medical care.
Insurance companies are allowed to discriminate based on age, health, even the health of those related to you.
So what happens to those that were never insurable or those that are now not profitable enough to insure?
You young guys ..... I know the feeling of never thinking you will get sick or die. Well right now you probably won't, that's why they are taking your money. When they stop taking your money, what then? Or if you can't pay for some reason?
Final note: Insurance companies also charge doctors anywhere from $50,000 to $300,000 per year in malpractice insurance. That's a big nut to cover on a daily basis so every cover your ass test will be run, needed or not, cost be damned.
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