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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
first, i was talking about the constant bitching about tubes as being the source of all problems in adult.
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I don't think anyone thinks tube sites are the source of ALL the problems in adult. If they do, they're fucking stupid. But I think it's more so that you have a problem differentiating between 'serious' remarks against tubes, and sarcastic ones.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
second, that's total bullshit. show me reality kings content on tube sites. you can't. now show me that reality kings converts 10 times better than similar paysites WITH their content on tube sites. you can't. that correlation doesn't exist.
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Doesn't matter. Paysites are affected in two ways. Yes, I believe keeping your (full length/hq) off tube sites WILL keep your conversion rates higher, if complimented with sample tube videos / legit affiliate links / other means of good marketing. But you've missed part of the point here. The fact that illegal tubes exist in general (whether they specifically host your content or not) still provides surfers with a quick fix to jacking off while they're horny as opposed to taking out the creditcard. If you run: lame-reduntant-uncreative-realitykings-program here, and keep your content off tubes, your conversion rate may still be down because even though a surfer can't access your content directly of washedup-overused-slutwhore-pornstar there, they can access other scenes of washedup-overused-slutwhore-pornstar from some other scene where the webmaster didn't decide to complain to the tube to get it removed.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
third, people do shit loads of pay site sales from tube sites... and the traffic converts.. which again, contradicts every point made against tube sites.
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Okay so I guess you're an illegal tube site owner then? Find his IP and get'em guys!!!.... how do you know that? Do you have access to stats? I'm sure tube sites make sales... when you pound your site with millions of hits of traffic, you're bound to make a couple hundred a day per banner/affiliate. The conversion ratios are actually horrid, but with that kind of volume, you're still making some money (but not as much as you are on advertising).
I had a friend that was running a pretty big tube site a few years back, not sure what his deal is now, but back then he was making incredible amounts of money off CPM advertising because his tube had so much traffic... of course he'd make SOMETHING off affiliate links, but the conversion rates were horrible, even in comparison to a spammy misdirecting TGP.