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Originally Posted by gideongallery
bullshit
fair use is a law granted right too, free speech also apply to things like parodies and commentaries. the copyright act never intended to make copyright exclusive rights to be an absolute monopoly, it was and has always been a conditional monopoly., those sites serve both the legitimate purpose (fair use) and the illegitimate purpose at the same time.
Going after the people who don't have a fair use right only fair solution.
Reclasifying the entire site as "allow(ing) people to steal coprighted material" just because some people use the site in that way is just plain bullshit.
name one torrent site that explictly says on their terms and conditions that they are there to steal copyright material
show me one torrent site where you have the ability to tell torrent site that you are putting up the torrent specifically to steal
You can't
your rationalizing your justification to keep a false analog.
Your analog justifies going after the murder who uses the gun to kill someone which is exactly what i am advocating when i keep saying
leave the seeder alone
leave the tracker alone
leave the leacher with fair use right alone
go after the leacher without fair use rights.
and trying to justify going after the tracker (walmart) by creating a situation which has no bases in reality at all.
50% of all torrent traffic is tv shows,
timeshifting is a right that was established some 24 years ago.
most of the movies on trackers are older aired on tv movies (again covered by timeshifting)
every seeder (50% of the transactions) can argue based on the technical specs that they are creating a back up
when i download heroes from the torrent sites i am timeshifing the show from monday to tuesday
when i seed dr who blink i do so with the intent of being able to get it back when i want to watch that episode again (backup and recovery)
add it content covered by piracy tax and authorized by the intrinsic conditions of a binding contract (offer acceptance and consideration) and a majority of torrents traffic are taking content they have a right to take.
The only way you can make the arguement is to ignore the fair use as a technicality that people are hiding behind.
Which by it very nature eliminates the legitimate use of the technology. IT denies me the ability to use torrents as the perfect pvr (infinite storage, never misses a show, never cut out becuase of power outages, always available).
you keep pointing to sites and argue that the vocal few represent the majority, bullshit
many people are just like me, using the torrents for what they should be used as timeshifting/back up and recovery.
Who don't take a single file that they have not bought a right too.
i don't condone either mistaken opinion
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I have always said that I don't care if people download TV shows, just understand that if you do download a TV show and it get canceled, you can't complain. If you like the show, watch it and support it.
This will be my final reply to all of this, clearly we aren't going to change each other's minds.
Here is your proof.
go tohttp://www.mininova.org/ and select movies (
http://www.mininova.org/cat-list/4 is the url) Sort by number of leechers.
In the top 25 results every movie listed there is either still only available in theaters or it is out of theaters and not yet on DVD. The top movie on the list, 2012, just opened this weekend. That means that every one of the 80,000+ leechers is breaking the law. Every one of them is illegally downloading the movie. All the owner of the site has to do is look at this page and know that his site is being used for illegal activity. If someone uploads that torrent to the site they know they are doing so illegally.
Do you really think that somehow these 80,000 people have gotten an option to early purchase a copy of this movie on DVD and are just backing it up?