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Old 11-18-2009, 07:46 PM  
XMerchant
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Originally Posted by tigermtb View Post
Honestly, its usually newbies that post these types of threads because they either don't understand, or don't care how to properly do business. We've all done it but we shouldn't.

I don't know Mark very well, but from what I do know, him and his business is good. I'm sure that this situation has been blown of of proportion by someone who thought they were going to make buckets of money and didn't.

I'm more curious where the fraud was coming from. Best of luck to all.
Yes, I am a newbie to the webcam business, otherwise I would have known better to avoid doing business with 2Much. I am definitely not a newbie to the online business, and have been dealing with credit card processing since 1998, so I know all about reserves, fraud filters, etc.. The only difference is on my other businesses, I have full control of my checkout pages, as in knowing what IP's are using it, checking for names, ISP's, items purchased, passwords and user names provided, email addreses, etc. before the transaction even goes to my processor. With 2Much, I was not given any of those options, just wing it and hope they catch the fraud. As to where the fraud is coming from, I have a very generic webcam domain which gets most traffic from direct browser type-ins, so it could be that there was a disproportianately high amount of foreigh traffic, mainly from Romania, Vietnam, and Indonesia. If I had the tools, I would have blocked access to those countries altogether.

Blown out of proportion? OK, you know what, I would love to hear from one of Mark's satisfied customers who have the same deal I had, and are actually making money (by making money I mean more than $1,000 per month net). If his system is so good, he's sure to have a few satisfied customers, isn't he?

Let me just summarize my experience with 2Much here so other newbies like me would not fall into the same trap that I did:

1) Webmaster buys a 2Much license for $4,100 up front (I actually got a bargain of $6,000 for 3 domains) - 2Much just made $4,100-$6,000.
2) Webmaster pays $125/month for "customer care" and hosting - 2Much will make $1,500 a year for hosting.
3) Webmaster pays $70 per month to use 2Much ccbill subaccount or gets their own (btw CCBill dos not charge for subaccounts, so that $70 is 100% profit) - 2Much makes $840 more per year.
4) Webmaster gets a standard very basic and ugly looking template (sorry Mark, it's true), and if he/she wants the site to look presentable, much more money is needed to customize the templates (I spent $4,000 with a separate designer). The templates probably haven't been updated since 1997, and are very hard to configure. Each page uses different variables names for the same parameter, so you have to spend days going through each variable to make sure it's the correct one for that page. Anything but user friendly.
5) Webmaster waits 2 to 3 weeks after the template design and configuration is done to get their site online and get billing set up.
6) Webmaster recruits models, and inputs them into the system or he/she can use 2Much models for a percentage of the sale the model generates. The only problem is there are many times not a single 2Much model is online, and the most I ever saw on were like 5, some of whom didn't even speak English. Another pipe dream, thinking that a new webmaster will have a head start with using Mbase models.
7) Webmaster buys traffic or a has a very expensive domain which has type-in traffic.
8) Visitors come to the website, find a couple of models on and leave. Models get hired, try working, make no money and leave.
9) Webmaster realizes it's a hopeless situation and leaves for a better solution that makes much more money on the same traffic and models. Btw, I am very happy with my new back end solution, and I couldn't praise it more. It's everything 2Much isn't, and my biggest mistake was not finding it sooner!
10) 2Much keeps the customer database, earnings for 4 months, and tries to recruit the webmaster's models.
11) 2Much looks for another sucker like me...

Just look at this as a study of the probability of success using the 2Much model, nothing more. I am just sharing my experience with everyone here. Nothing blown out of proportion, no lies, just what really happened to me. Feel free to learn from my costly mistake. Read into it what you like, but yes, this really happened to me with 2Much!

Last edited by XMerchant; 11-18-2009 at 07:50 PM..
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