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Originally Posted by potter
lol.. United Nations having a global copyright enforcement division. That is so utterly ridiculous I'm ashamed to have even been apart of it's discussion.
So instead, to get things back on track. I'll simply quote myself since my point still stands.
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Originally Posted by potter
For starters, it's not stealing and it's not theft.
If someone steals a tangible product, that product no longer exists to the retailer or producer. ie; If someone makes a TV, and goes to sell it, but someone steals it. That TV is gone from the store. That is stealing, that is theft.
If someone downloads a digital product, they are not stealing. They are making a copy of the original product to their own computer. So there are now TWO of the product. If someone makes a TV, and goes to sell it, but someone comes into the store with a TV replicating device and copies the TV, then walks out with their copy. The retailer didn't loose their TV.
There is a law designed specifically for this situation. It's the United States Copyright Law. When that person made a copy of the TV, the very moment they then possessed the copy, they were required to have a license to the copy. If they don't own the license they are then committing copyright infringement. They aren't stealing, and they aren't thieves. They've simply committed copyright infringement.
... The problem, is that people will sit online all day crying like babies. Waaa waaa waaaa, internet piracy is stealing waaa waaaa waaaa torrents are bad.
That doesn't solve anything, and there is no police force out there that is going to come to your rescue. YOU made a product, YOU have a copyright, YOU need to get off your ass and protect that copyright. It's as simple as that. The laws and legal system is in place for YOU to protect your products and copyrights. It's not the other way around, there isn't some magical being out there to do your own work. If YOU want to own a copyright, it's up to YOU to protect that copyright.
So quit whining and having moot discussions on if piracy is theft. It's not, it's copyright infringement. So go protect your copyright.
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Originally Posted by potter
I mean seriously, if you're going to bitch all day long on the internet and not even understand something so simple and basic like COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
You really really really need to get into a different business and start selling physical tangible products. Because you have no business selling digital goods, specially online.
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you misunderstand as well
I do understand copyright infringement vs theft - I well know the difference - I have read the laws as best I could due to many discussions with giddyboy - I am now at the point where I figure I have read more than I ever should have had to.
do not assume that I do not "understand something so simple and basic like COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT"
do not assume that I don't know the difference between stealing a physical product and copying a digital product.
do not assume that I do not protect myself and my copyrighted content as best I can with the tools that are available.
BUT
I advocate change
I advocate that digital property attain the same status and protection as the 'hard' goods enjoy
I advocate a global recognition of copyright holders rights
I advocate a global Law/Treaty recognizing copyright holders rights
I advocate that a global body be created to draw up and enforce a new way
copyright laws started when there were only hard goods - and only "hard good" ways to 'copy' (books, art, etc)
copyright laws
evolved when tapes were used for music, and cable TV came about allowing for a good quality copy (giddyboys VCR arguments) - they were created under the assumption that a copy would be a physical product made from a broadcast signal - and made provisions for private 'fair use'
copyright laws
evolved again (more fair use expansions - DMCA - etc) when the Internet/CDs/DVDs happened - but they did not envision the rampant copying that would happen - they were modified at that time to handle a low volume of 'mistakes' and protect large corporations from liability when they accidentally used a copyrighted image
now I believe that it is time that they
evolve again - to stop the rampant nature of 'copying' and distribution that the 'new' Internet infrastucture allows.
get that? - "I believe" and "I advocate" and indeed "I argue for, at length, on the Internet forums" are all my right to free speech - and I shall continue to exercise those rights for what I believe in. Just as you, giddyboy, and everyone else has their right to.
I don't tell giddyboy to stop his plans - to do something else with his business model. I will lay out my thoughts on it - I will try and convince him, he will try and convince me - its all good.
If you don't like it feel free to continue to voice your opinion - I will continue to read it.
but don't ever assume you know what I do and do not know or understand.
k?
