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Originally Posted by will76
No not all of the poor will get it. Like you said it varies from state to state, the criteria that has to be met. I never said everyone gets government health care for free. I said that a lot of people do get it and government health care does exist. The poor (not all of them) can get medicade, but if you are not poor then you have no shot of getting it. Medicare is govt run and helps for people over 65. The veterans get health care. People who are found to be disabled.
A lot of population already has govt run health care and it sucks. It may not suck for everyone who uses it but over all it is terrible. The sucking part isn't just confined to service, it is also on fraud and money missmangement to name a few things. Medicare and Social Security are in serious trouble financially.
So the govt who has proven it sucks at caring for people and managing the govt run health care it has in place now, wants to take the whole system over? Shouldn't they fix what they have in place now first?
How do you think they are going to pay for it. As I have said in a previous post, you think the health care system is messed up now with private companies, wait till the govt gets controll of it. Our taxes will go through the roof to pay for it. We will pay a lot more in taxes then what we are paying right now for medicare, medicade,etc.. plus our own current insurance. But we will have "FREE" heathcare, lol. Wait till you see the middle class paying in taxes what the people making over 250K are paying right now. Taxes will go up and sevices will go down. It's the only two factors in the eqauation. They make us pay for it, and when that isn't enough the start deciding who lives and who dies. One day that 75 year old women could be someone you know, or I know, that the governemt deams isn't worth paying $100K on a bypass surgery because they have to keep their costs down.
It just doesn't make sense any way you look at it. If medicare, medicade, veterans hospitals were all cutting edge, great places to treat people and they had a good handle on it, no waste, fraud etc... then maybe I would trust them with my life too. but until then no thanks. The system is fucked up, needs to be fixed, but to put it into the hands of the govt, that will only make this worst.
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While I agree with much of what you are saying, my original point was just pointing out a clarification of what you had originally posted.
Sure Medicare, Medicaid, the VA system and Social Security all have huge problems. The are grossly mismanaged and are taken advantage of by doctors, patients, politicians and everyone in between. It is very possible, most likely probably, that any government run health insurance would end up this way. Taxes will go up to pay for it and there is a chance that the availability of some care could become limited.
But the difference is that nobody is suggesting an entire government takeover of the health care industry. At its biggest the government would supply health insurance for those who do not have it. They would do this by either paying for it outright or creating a public option that is run by the government. They wouldn't run the hospitals or the pharmacies, they would just write the checks. I do believe, as I'm confident you will as well, that even this system - while a long ways form government run health care - will end up bloated and corrupt and costing 10 times what it should. That is the sad part. For as much money as this country spends on health care everyone in this country could have world class coverage, but the system is so fucked up that it doesn't work that way. As I said my mom has decent care, has no trouble seeing doctors or getting what she needs. There is no shortage of care for her. But, it is probably costing the government a whole lot more to pay for her care than a similar person with private heath insurance.
Still, after all this, my original point is this : Your posts said, "If you are POOR you have free health care, its called Medicade." That simply is not the case. A more correct statement is " If you are POOR, and you have some other kind of ailment, you might get on medicaid." the demand for medicaid is so high that just about every state has a huge waiting lists. Those who are worst off get picked up first. Those who are simply poor sit on the list waiting.