50 great deals! congrats to ibill and xbiz!
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Yah, no thanks! i would suggest anyone reading this stay far away from these people. They're livin on a prayer.
Found this funny. Didn't that one guy coming here say he used to work there?
"According to the new iBill, though no association exists between the two companies, with none of the same employees"
Or am I wrong?
Can someone get Rodrigo in here please?Last edited by seeric; 03-02-2010, 07:32 AM.Comment
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Do you people seriously believe this. The company went defunct about 5 years ago. The piggy bank was raided, there was no money left 5 years ago, why would any one think that there is money avaible now, and if there was money there, that they would actually pay it out. Besides this person bought the .net and had nothing to do with the original ibill owners when the company went under, correct ? Or he is a gfy troll pretending to be ibill, i never wasted my time to look into it.
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someone get 4chan on this case. it will be cracked by 2pm.
they'll tell you who worked there, when they got to work, what they ate for breakfast, and how many times a day they take a poopoo, all in about 13 minutes.
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So wait, this whole iBill 2.0 thing is NOT a joke?
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Exactly as predicted ? Same as the old IBILL offers You have to give them your money before they give you your money back, after taking out 4.5%
The XBiZ story is full of BS Quote from XBIZ site
"According to the new iBill, though no association exists between the two companies, with none of the same employees, or owners, as iBill 2002-2007"
Yet we see this below ?
Executive Team
Irja Zarembok
President and Chief Executive Officer
Irja Zarembok is President of iBill with overall responsibility for growing the business and establishing iBill as the leading global online payment service. Irja previously served as iBill's senior vice president and chief technology officer where she oversaw information technology, product development, and architecture for iBill.
Prior to iBill, Irja worked for Inovant, a subsidiary of Visa formed to oversee global technology for the organization. As executive vice president of technology solutions at Inovant, she was responsible for all development, support and maintenance of Visa's global payment system.
Irja was also an information officer of Barclays Global Investors, where she implemented a new strategic technology platform and global infrastructure.
Jonas C. Brown
Executive Vice President, Security
Jonas Brown has been with iBill since the company's inception. Jonas has held different titles here at iBill from the time he started and now is responsible for Risk, Credit, Fraud and Underwriting. ( responsible for FRAUD?)
Prior to joining iBill, Jonas worked for PayMyBills.com as the Director of Risk Management in charge of over 1.2 million in ACH payments per month.
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Comparing yourself to products that killed people. That is the only accurate statement you made. Old ibill killed a lot of people, financially.
However you want to rationalize it. "Ibill" is tainted. Who ever thought the things you posted here should be fired. They were wrong. Ibill will never make it as a processing company. You don't need to take my word for it, lets check back in 5 years and see how well you are doing. There are millions reasons that the company you work for should have come up with another name to use for processing. Unbelievable. Someone fucked up major, congrats.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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See post above Jonnass worked with IBILL from its inceptionDo you people seriously believe this. The company went defunct about 5 years ago. The piggy bank was raided, there was no money left 5 years ago, why would any one think that there is money avaible now, and if there was money there, that they would actually pay it out. Besides this person bought the .net and had nothing to do with the original ibill owners when the company went under, correct ? Or he is a gfy troll pretending to be ibill, i never wasted my time to look into it.
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= marketing stunt.Exactly as predicted ? Same as the old IBILL offers You have to give them your money before they give you your money back, after taking out 4.5%
The XBiZ story is full of BS Quote from XBIZ site
"According to the new iBill, though no association exists between the two companies, with none of the same employees, or owners, as iBill 2002-2007"
Yet we see this below ?
Executive Team
Irja Zarembok
President and Chief Executive Officer
Irja Zarembok is President of iBill with overall responsibility for growing the business and establishing iBill as the leading global online payment service. Irja previously served as iBill's senior vice president and chief technology officer where she oversaw information technology, product development, and architecture for iBill.
Prior to iBill, Irja worked for Inovant, a subsidiary of Visa formed to oversee global technology for the organization. As executive vice president of technology solutions at Inovant, she was responsible for all development, support and maintenance of Visa's global payment system.
Irja was also an information officer of Barclays Global Investors, where she implemented a new strategic technology platform and global infrastructure.
Jonas C. Brown
Executive Vice President, Security
Jonas Brown has been with iBill since the company's inception. Jonas has held different titles here at iBill from the time he started and now is responsible for Risk, Credit, Fraud and Underwriting. ( responsible for FRAUD?)
Prior to joining iBill, Jonas worked for PayMyBills.com as the Director of Risk Management in charge of over 1.2 million in ACH payments per month.
Jonas has studied at RCC Riverside, UCR Riverside, CCSN and UNLV Las Vegas.
Trying to use the lost millions of many to get some publicity and crush the hopes of a few people here who actually thought they might get some money. Not going to happen.
Still not going to get any money back, lol.Last edited by will76; 03-02-2010, 07:48 AM.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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So the big plan is to offer you 4.5% fees (which you can currently get from processors that have not fucked you over.) that then bumps up to 14.5% after the "Dept" has been paid which of course is about 1.5% higher than Ccbills fees...
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I feel desperation in the air. Without Adult webmasters they are doneicq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!Comment
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Gerco,
This is not true. The rate you will be processing at will be an agreement between you and us and once payback is complete, we will want to keep you as a customer, so we would offer your a nice rate to try and keep you. As stated in the release, you are not required to stay for any period of time.Comment
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Saying that you're going to pay people back ... and then saying that you'll only offer them a discount ... is deceptive marketing.
The FTC does not take kindly to that.
iBill ... don't be surprised if people sue you based on your original very public promise to PAY PEOPLE BACK and not just offer future discounts on processing.Comment
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Jimmy,
Xbiz asked us for a follow up and we got one out the same day. There will be no where that says you have to stay with us for any length of time.Comment
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This is NOT what you said on Xbiz
"Brown told XBIZ that relief for the outstanding debts will come in the form of discounts on payment processing until creditors have recouped the outstanding amount owed by iBill Fla., (2002-2007). With the standard rate for payment processing set at 14.5 percent of all transactions, creditors will be able to negotiate a lower rate, with rates as low as 4.5 percent, that will run until the debt is settled. The difference between the traditional rate and the debt conversion rate will represent the amount that will be applied to the debt.
For example, if a person or business entity processes $10,000 in transactions each month, and their normal fees would be $1450, and that person or entity is paying a promotional rate of five percent, the remaining $950 will be applied to the outstanding debt."Http://www.extremehole.com
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a "nice" rate to keep you. Thats how I do deals. nice and vague.
If I wanted to use someone other than ccbill, I would use zombaio and their 4.9% rate for life. Check out ZombaioICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Gerco,
There is nothing in the statement that says they MUST stay for any period of time.Comment
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I call bullshit on this! Even if this offer was legit and they had the money to pay everyone back it is the dumbest PR move they could ever make. The few people they pay will most likely not ever do biz with IBILL in the future and the rest (the majority including people like me) will never see a cent because we won't be able to prove it and will curse them 10x more than we did before.
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a "nice" rate to keep you. Thats how I do deals. nice and vague.
If I wanted to use someone other than ccbill, I would use zombaio and their 4.9% rate for life. Check out Zombaio
If that quote from XBiZ is accurate the rate seems to bounce from 4.5 to 5% in just one paragraph. Smoke a mirrors people smoke and mirrors
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Will76, We don't require to be 1st on your cascade like Zombaio to get that rateComment
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You should read the whole thread, you are never going to get a cent unless you join IBILLs program and send them membersI call bullshit on this! Even if this offer was legit and they had the money to pay everyone back it is the dumbest PR move they could ever make. The few people they pay will most likely not ever do biz with IBILL in the future and the rest (the majority including people like me) will never see a cent because we won't be able to prove it and will curse them 10x more than we did before.Last edited by F-U-Jimmy; 03-02-2010, 08:43 AM.icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!Comment
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The rate is not going to be the same for everyone. Everyone's case is different.Comment
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BTW... Zombaio has 4.9% processing right out the gate... and doesn't have the shit storm associated with their name. Ccbill charges me 13% but are solid and have not missed a payment or don't anything shady in the 6+ years I have been using them. (Ibill first fuckover was the very reason ccbill became my primary, I only wish I would have pulled away from Ibill completely at that time.)
I just don't see how you can put this garbage out there and say your doing anything special in an attempt to "repay" the depts. now, 1% till the dept was paid back with no reserves and continuing at 4.9-14% depending on placement in the cascade, would have been something to consider.Http://www.extremehole.com
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I agree with what others are saying, these are bad analogies:
In these examples only a very small percentage of the customer base of these products were affected / harmed and the errors were the result of an outside party tampering (in the case of Tylenol) or the error of a low level employee (J in the B).
Allow me to put this into perspecitive with some better examples:
Booking a cruise on a cruise ship named Titanic
Taking blimp ride on a vessle named The Hindenburg
Buying stock in a company called ENRON
Signing a service agreement with a cell phone provider called Worldcom
Opening an account with a finacnial services firm named Lehman Brothers
Hilter is a famous last name, yet many of his blood relatives have gone as far as to change their surnames to get away from the noteriety
Just because something is a famous mark it doesn't always translate into a salvageable brand identity.
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The whole Tylenol analogy is hereby the "Ipill".
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YOU understand analogies. iBill, not so much.I agree with what others are saying, these are bad analogies:
In these examples only a very small percentage of the customer base of these products were affected / harmed and the errors were the result of an outside party tampering (in the case of Tylenol) or the error of a low level employee (J in the B).
Allow me to put this into perspecitive with some better examples:
Booking a cruise on a cruise ship named Titanic
Taking blimp ride on a vessle named The Hindenburg
Buying stock in a company called ENRON
Signing a service agreement with a cell phone provider called Worldcom
Opening an account with a finacnial services firm named Lehman Brothers
Hilter is a famous last name, yet many of his blood relatives have gone as far as to change their surnames to get away from the noteriety
Just because something is a famous mark it doesn't always translate into a salvageable brand identity.
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LOL....what a Fucking bunch of jokers...we have to sign back up, trust and process with iBill refuck 2 and they will pay back via processing fees...lol at what %...that will take years and years...and by then you probably won't be processing as iBill refuck 2...maybe you will be setting up another iBill refuck 3 company and claim it has nothing to do with the first or second iBill...catch me once shame on you, catch me twice (GKard hoping to salvage our rebill's etc) shame on me and in many cases catch us 3 times via the billing you fucks automatically set up after GKard shame on us again(You Fucks stll processed rebills till the members had to cancel their CARDS as you were not allowing cancellations to go through and with NO Payment to us)...but FUCK us a fourth time....fuck you to hell and back...carma will fuck you so bad...you fucking ass whipes of human beings...why can't you just admit you are out to fuck us again and get one more FREE payday from the industry and retire on an island you buy from the money you stole before and just topped up with your new iBill refuck 2...but Carma will fuck you...it always does...who knows but maybe that Island you buy will become an active volcano and erupt right under your weazel thieving ass...
Fuck these iBill planning to fuck you again threads just get my blood boiling, and I know I am not the only one...fucking pricks...you will go to hell where you belong...what will there next scheme be to try and scam webmasters to join them...
It still amazes me that some who got bitten badly before are prosessing with them again...or is that another lie by iBill...if not well when they fuck those webmasters again it is 100% the webmasters fault....it also amazes me that they think that a surfer who got fucked before will sign back up with them...but then again surfers do crazy things with their cock in hand...but I thought even they would have to draw the line at getting robbed and fucked up the ass especially when the surfer expects to do the fucking....and in todays tough times...I sure hope they don't get caught again...
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Here is some advice for you, start sending your resume out soon.
There is no way that anyone who got burned by them in the past is processing with them again, at least not anyone who does more than 5 transactions a week. Anyone with any common sense will stay away from them. The only people who might be using them are noobs who didn't do any research and don't know any better, and its likely they not doing many transactions either.
They will never make any money from adult. But hey people still take asprin so adult webmasters will trust ibill again, LMAO. Some people are WAY over paid and should not only be fired for complete incompetence but shot this is so bad.Last edited by will76; 03-02-2010, 09:14 AM.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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These hit closer to the mark.I agree with what others are saying, these are bad analogies:
In these examples only a very small percentage of the customer base of these products were affected / harmed and the errors were the result of an outside party tampering (in the case of Tylenol) or the error of a low level employee (J in the B).
Allow me to put this into perspecitive with some better examples:
Buying stock in a company called ENRON
Signing a service agreement with a cell phone provider called Worldcom
Opening an account with a finacnial services firm named Lehman Brothers
Just because something is a famous mark it doesn't always translate into a salvageable brand identity.
Furthermore I would add that making up the money owed to webmasters is a weak move as it lassos them in and sends iBill money. Promising someone their money if they send you business is appalling. It's THEIR money, why should they lift a finger to get what's owed them?
It could also be construed as a tacit admission of guilt. You either had something to do with iBill's shenanigans or you didn't. If you didn't, why in the world would you want to pay their bad debts? If you DID, then you've lied to the entire community again right out of the gate and who in their right mind would chance doing business with you under such dubious circumstances?Last edited by CosmicTang; 03-02-2010, 09:19 AM.ICQ: 456.689.835
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Exactly right. Not one of the many, many adult webmasters I know (many with tons of traffic) will ever send even one surfer to any paysite or other program using iBill anywhere in its cascade. Too many affiliates wound up getting fucked out of money owed to them because of iBill's actions in the past.
Any sponsor who signs up to use iBill with affiliate traffic can pretty much count on seeing their affiliate traffic stats take an immediate nose dive down to the zero line. Even if a program only uses iBill on their internal traffic it's still a good bet that affiliates will definitely find out about it and will spread the word that this is a sponsor you should avoid. I know several webmasters who are planning to put up sites/pages which will name and blacklist any sponsors who sign up to use iBill.
There are some things even an adult webmaster will not forgive or forget.
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I can't believe these guys didn't learn well from ThirdParty Screwing 101. In the past when a 3rd party biller goes down in flames and people get fucked, the smart thing to do was to jump ship and start a NEW company under a new NAME. This way most people don't know who you are and you can go back to screwing them.
This method has worked well in the past. The web800 people came back instantly as Digiblaze which lasted for about a year or two before they fucked that up. All the "smart" ibill people jumped shipped and started a new company which is still processing today....
You guys are really stupid. You would have been so much better off following what worked in the past for other defunct 3rd party processors but no, you wanted to try to do something different and start back over with the SAME company name LMAO.
If your only "credibility" or "fame" is using the ibill name, that says a lot about your company.Last edited by will76; 03-02-2010, 09:25 AM.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I agree with what others are saying, these are bad analogies:
In these examples only a very small percentage of the customer base of these products were affected / harmed and the errors were the result of an outside party tampering (in the case of Tylenol) or the error of a low level employee (J in the B).
Allow me to put this into perspecitive with some better examples:
Booking a cruise on a cruise ship named Titanic
Taking blimp ride on a vessle named The Hindenburg
Buying stock in a company called ENRON
Signing a service agreement with a cell phone provider called Worldcom
Opening an account with a finacnial services firm named Lehman Brothers
Hilter is a famous last name, yet many of his blood relatives have gone as far as to change their surnames to get away from the noteriety
Just because something is a famous mark it doesn't always translate into a salvageable brand identity.
Best of luck to you.
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Exactly...in one of iBills recent posts after one of the shows they claimed that some of the past webmasters that processed with them had signed back up...another fucking lie by these cock sucking weazels...carma will rule in their case...it just has to.....Exactly right. Not one of the many, many adult webmasters I know (many with tons of traffic) will ever send even one surfer to any paysite or other program using iBill anywhere in its cascade. Too many affiliates wound up getting fucked out of money owed to them because of iBill's actions in the past.
Any sponsor who signs up to use iBill with affiliate traffic can pretty much count on seeing their affiliate traffic stats take an immediate nose dive down to the zero line. Even if a program only uses iBill on their internal traffic it's still a good bet that affiliates will definitely find out about it and will spread the word that this is a sponsor you should avoid. I know several webmasters who are planning to put up sites/pages which will name and blacklist any sponsors who sign up to use iBill.
There are some things even an adult webmaster will not forgive or forget.
It is amazing that they claimed this and no one has admitted to signing back up with them yet...maybe iBill can tell us who has...and prove that they are not lying scumbag fucking pricks...but I doubt they would...iBill cannot claim privacy protection in this case as if someone big has re-signed up with them it would be all over the boards by now (as was mentioned earlier) as a program to avoid...
Fuck you iBill...
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Baddogs I please ask respects for not post pictures of my papa.
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From their new website
Nothing to do with the old IBILL, no employees from the old IBILL working at the new IBILL
More B.S.
"No matter what size your business is, you will need a global, reliable, secure, e-commerce solution to support your companies growth goals. Since 1997, merchants around the world have used iBill to processes hundreds of millions in online payments from low to high risk merchants abroad. iBill understands your industry and tailors payment solutions to meet your companies needs. Partner with us and tap into 12-plus years of helping businesses move money quickly and securely worldwide."icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!Comment
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This joke is getting really old. I can't understand why there isn't a ban happening.Comment
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You fail.
Let me explain this to you. Yes, Jack in the box had one event where a few people died. They had millions of customers and 1 bad thing happened a couple people died.
Ibill had thousands of customers (many of us here) and one very big bad thing happened and we ALL got screwed, not just a couple people.
Sure people might still buy burgers from Jack in the Box, but do you think the dead people or the family members of the dead people do? That is what you are trying to do here. You are trying to sell bad meat to the very people that were in the hospital for this once before. Ibill poisoned the entire industry. You might get a few noobs to sign up that don't know better and weren't around a couple years ago, but you will not touch 99% of the processing in the adult industry because of what already happened.
I can see someone sitting in a board room, pitching this shit to other board members and investors " but Jack in the box killed people and they came back, anything can be rebranded" etc...
Like I've said someone should be fired, and shot for gross incompotence on this one. The only people getting screwed by ibill this time is the idiots who listened to who ever's advice it was to start a billing company with the name ibill.
hire a consultant next time, morons.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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