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Originally Posted by The Demon
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I'm not sure what this is about. There are many, myself included, that believe trickle down economics doesn't really trickle and doesn't really work.
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That's because I think you see it as a black and white freedom, or as an absolute, which it isn't. Neither is freedom of speech and it shouldn't be.
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I understand a lot of issues are not black and white, but passing a law like the Patriot Act, is a pretty shitty thing to do to the American people. There is a reason much of it has been struck down by the supreme court.
Check out the Meese Commission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meese_Report Watch a movie called Inside Deep Throat. The freedom loving republicans waged war against porn.
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What about it? What state are you in? I don't really know what you're saying. Both parties sometimes move away from their original intentions. That's not going to make me switch over to an "independent", just because the party I support isn't following my values 100%. I can criticize them but that's about it.
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I live in Oregon. Basically, here is how it went. On a ballot there were two measures. One for assisted suicide and one for medical pot. Both passed. Bush sent Ashcroft here and he challenged them both. The court cases basically held the laws over and hung them so they couldn't be enacted, but were not yet found illegal. So on the next election the laws were put back on the ballot and worded a little differently. They passed again. Again Bush and Ashcroft went to court. In both cases they lost. Bush via Ashcroft then issued statements saying that since assisted suicide is illegal on the federal level they will go after doctors that prescribe the drugs for this purpose. They also said they will reserve the right to go after growers and sellers of medical pot and there have actually been a few raids. So the freedom loving republicans have decided that the people of Oregon can't think for themselves and they know what is best for us.
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Not really sure how truthful this is, can you provide proof.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/11/obscenity.trial.reut/ They actually carried out a sting operation to get this hardened criminal who was flooding the streets with horrible sex toys.
There are several bible belt states where you can't sell any kind of sex toy unless you make 100% clear that it is for novelty use only.
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I'm not sure about that because I've always defined marriage as between one man and one woman.
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You define it as such, as do other people. But should that mean that they should change the Constitution to define it as such?
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Could be worse, you could be a democrat.
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You have a point here
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Ironic, because the Democrats controlled the house during most of Reagan's presidency, and the Republicans controlled the house and the senate for the majority of Clinton's presidency. You also forget the Cold War and needed defense spending.
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Again, I am just pointing out that they all increase their spending. They always find a reason. They don't cut spending, they just increase it.
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Nobody said Reagan was perfect, just that he was a good president.
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Some will agree, some will disagree with this. I think he was like a lot of presidents. He did some good stuff, he did some bad stuff.
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Determine our own morality? As in relativism? I don't think so. Let me ask you something, being as you're in the porn industry. Would you allow porn to be played in normal theaters, or on normal channels, seeing as it is a freedom of speech?
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No I feel that it should be available to those who wish to consume it. For example. I shouldn't be allowed to stand on a street corner holding a huge sign of a naked chick with her pussy spread open and deepthroating a dildo. Some people won't care. Some people will like it and others will be disgusted and offended. My exercising of the freedom of speech should not inhibit other people's freedom to move around freely or go without seeing that kind of stuff if the choose to. The same can be said with regular broadcast TV. There is plenty of ways to make it readily available to anyone who wants it without it being broadcast to anyone who just walks down a street or flips a channel on the TV.
Here is a case in point. There was a guy in Provo Utah who ran a small video store. He also had 13 adult movies for rent, but the boxes were put away in a closet and you had to show ID just to see them. He was arrested and put on trial under obscenity charges. He eventually won his case. How? Because they did a study and found out that the city of Provo buys pay per view porn via cable and satellite at a rate of four times the national average. Clearly there are a lot of people that want to watch porn, but they do so in a way that those who don't want to see it don't have to.
And yes, a person can determine their own morality. I can decide for myself what I feel is moral and just. It doesn't mean others have to believe that. It also doesn't mean that my beliefs will not be without consequence.
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I think you and I have the exact same views, except for me refusing to become an independent just because things aren't going my way. I understand the true Conservative/Republican principles and I hold to that. Now if the Republicans start really turning into shit like the Democrats, and it's possible they will, then I'll call myself an Independent.
I don't agree with much of what they do. I do agree with them more times than not, which is why I'm still a Republican and not an independent.
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But you won't say what these principle are. I'm not trying to force you to switch. I'm just curious why you would align yourself with one party or another. You seem to not like a lot of what they do, but like just enough to be a part of their party. Those things you like must be pretty meaningful to you because it seems to me you could still hold onto those values and be independent.