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Originally Posted by kane
I'm not sure what this is about. There are many, myself included, that believe trickle down economics doesn't really trickle and doesn't really work.
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I disagree. Look at the goals of Reaganomics, one of which is reducing government regulation. I'm a fan of the Austrian School of economics, and I love Reagan because his ideas coincided with mine. Unfortunately he wasn't as successful in implementing them.
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I understand a lot of issues are not black and white, but passing a law like the Patriot Act, is a pretty shitty thing to do to the American people. There is a reason much of it has been struck down by the supreme court.
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Yes, and that reason is that as we slowly moved away from 9/11, the threat became less and less grave, which makes the decision logical.
Well, that's one thing I wouldn't agree with them on. Not because I like porn (I don't), but because I think it's free speech as long as it's kept private.
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I live in Oregon. Basically, here is how it went. On a ballot there were two measures. One for assisted suicide and one for medical pot. Both passed. Bush sent Ashcroft here and he challenged them both. The court cases basically held the laws over and hung them so they couldn't be enacted, but were not yet found illegal. So on the next election the laws were put back on the ballot and worded a little differently. They passed again. Again Bush and Ashcroft went to court. In both cases they lost. Bush via Ashcroft then issued statements saying that since assisted suicide is illegal on the federal level they will go after doctors that prescribe the drugs for this purpose. They also said they will reserve the right to go after growers and sellers of medical pot and there have actually been a few raids. So the freedom loving republicans have decided that the people of Oregon can't think for themselves and they know what is best for us.
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While not condemning or condoning assisted suicide, I wouldn't agree with Bush and Ashcroft on this issue, not entirely at least. I see why they would do what they did but it doesn't make it right.
From skimming over the article, she was selling sex toys at parties, correct? I would agree with what they did if she was out on the front lawn advertising sex toys, because that would be disturbing. Free speech is NOT absolute and that's where I would draw the line.
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You define it as such, as do other people. But should that mean that they should change the Constitution to define it as such?
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Not necessarily, but I can say with reasonable certainty that that's what the founding fathers had in mind also. We don't need to go into a discussion on whether or not they would have ever approved same sex marriages, we know where that will end.
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Again, I am just pointing out that they all increase their spending. They always find a reason. They don't cut spending, they just increase it.
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Historically though, what party was mostly responsible?
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Some will agree, some will disagree with this. I think he was like a lot of presidents. He did some good stuff, he did some bad stuff.
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Possibly, I'd personally put him in the top 5, easily.
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No I feel that it should be available to those who wish to consume it. For example. I shouldn't be allowed to stand on a street corner holding a huge sign of a naked chick with her pussy spread open and deepthroating a dildo. Some people won't care. Some people will like it and others will be disgusted and offended. My exercising of the freedom of speech should not inhibit other people's freedom to move around freely or go without seeing that kind of stuff if the choose to. The same can be said with regular broadcast TV. There is plenty of ways to make it readily available to anyone who wants it without it being broadcast to anyone who just walks down a street or flips a channel on the TV.
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So we're in agreement that free speech
isn't absolute
Why would freedom of privacy be?
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Here is a case in point. There was a guy in Provo Utah who ran a small video store. He also had 13 adult movies for rent, but the boxes were put away in a closet and you had to show ID just to see them. He was arrested and put on trial under obscenity charges. He eventually won his case. How? Because they did a study and found out that the city of Provo buys pay per view porn via cable and satellite at a rate of four times the national average. Clearly there are a lot of people that want to watch porn, but they do so in a way that those who don't want to see it don't have to.
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Utah is psychotic.
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And yes, a person can determine their own morality. I can decide for myself what I feel is moral and just. It doesn't mean others have to believe that. It also doesn't mean that my beliefs will not be without consequence.
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I disagree with the whole concept of relativism. It's something that one can easily debunk, and something that I find more ludicrous than people pointing out the insanity of religion.
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But you won't say what these principle are. I'm not trying to force you to switch. I'm just curious why you would align yourself with one party or another. You seem to not like a lot of what they do, but like just enough to be a part of their party. Those things you like must be pretty meaningful to you because it seems to me you could still hold onto those values and be independent.
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I've mentioned many of them. Limited goverment, especially in economic affairs, while an expansion of the private sector. I'm a fiscal conservative as well. I was perfectly happy that Reagan really popularized supply side economics in this country, before the moronic Keynesians took over. Rich companies will breed corruption so they should be allowed to fail, and not be bailed out. I support the separation of church and state, while I'm a religious person. I hate unions and blame them largely for the United States increasing their outsourcing over the decades. Any more you'd like to hear?