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Originally Posted by joshgirls
will i think you paint too broad a brush. there are people who abuse the safety net. to state that its "most people" who are "lazy" & "do drugs" & "have kids they cant afford" is absurd, & sounds more like the emotional sentiment Demon's always bitching about from the left. Back up these sentiments with some numbers to show "most" people in the safety net are freeloaders.
Although i am generally sympathetic to the principle that the successfull should not be robbed by the tax man to subsidize freeloaders, i'm not persuaded that "most" recipients are undeserving. People work hard at self employment, but their idea doesnt make it. People work their whole adult lives at a company & are laid off. Great workers lose their jobs to a decision made on wall street to relocate a plant to china.
COBRA has alleviated the loss of health care when good people lose their jobs. But costs have exploded so high that reasonable people can't afford the prices insurance companies charge in the individual markets. & if your sick, you won't even get insurance. your just expected to shell out 10s of thousands out of pocket to stay alive. Not to mention you may pay all your insurance bills, & the insurance company will make a loophole to deny you a claim.
our darwinian capitalist system works fine when you have a job & when you are healthy. For the sick & unemployed, it is nothing but a death panel.
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There are people who need and deserve help, there are people who straight up fraud the system, there are people who choose to spend their money on nicer things (or illegal things) and not spend it on health care, and then there are people are irresponsible and in poverty but keep having children. those are the facts. what are the statistics for how many are in each group? I don't think anyone knows exactly.
irresponsibility without accountably breeds unproductivity. And if you reward people on top of that, it just makes it even worse.
I've repeated my points about 10x and am done with this thread and clarified what I meant by "lazy" as well as included a lot of other types of people not just the ones who keep having kids they can't afford or do drugs... I have family that don't have a pot to piss in but they keep having kids. I don't understand the lack of responsibilty, they are broke with 1 kid so they have 3 more and end up on wellfare because they can't afford them. It happens a lot. I bet if they weren't given wellfare, wic and all the other govt aide, and instead they had to work 100 hours a week to pay for those kids they would have been more responsible. It is easy to be irresponsible when you know the govt will bail you out.
People will take the parts of my posts they want to see depending on their views and ignore everything else I said. If they think I am calling all poor people lazy drug users, if that is what you people got out of everything I had to say, then our country is more worst off than I thought.